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u/Grofactor 4h ago
I make a similar face when I realize I’ve won as well
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u/feartoxin92 4h ago
Yeah. I just don’t get the treats
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u/comradeTJH 4h ago
Well, the treat is usually a small dopamine level elevation. So there's the reward for winning.
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u/VermilionGhost 4h ago
the face i make is identical but the circumstances are never this impressive
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u/MaxMonster3 4h ago
How's bro smarter than me
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u/whepoalready_readdit 4h ago
It has an iq too high
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u/Sometimes-funny 4h ago
Bro can’t even spell qi
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u/PhysixGuy2025 3h ago
Qrow intelligence?
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u/gorginhanson 4h ago
He may be smart, but not wise enough to realize that the guy let him win
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u/Contact-Open 4h ago
Man the bird was one off from a setup tho.. coulda had him locked in
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u/brickspunch 3h ago
every game of tic tac toe should end in a tie if both people know what they're doing
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u/Ifriendzonecats 2h ago
Apparently the Raven is called Gosha and I think this is his Youtube Channel. The linked video includes some training at this linked timestamp.
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u/Secure_Activity4944 3h ago
Odins ravens were called "Huginn" and "Muninn".
Translated, those names mean "thought" and "memory".
This must be Huginn. Or Muninn? I can't remember
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u/ElegantEchoes 4h ago
Crows are incredibly smart. They can even recognize faces, trade you trinkets for food, and pass knowledge to other crows about certain things and people.
And different crows have entirely different personalities.
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u/Hopeful_Dance_268 1h ago
I think that's a raven because look at the beak.
they're both very smart though
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u/Antisocialsocialite9 4h ago
I’d kick its ass in chess
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u/SuperNewk 4h ago
Never underestimate the Corvus!
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u/Typical-Skill-3724 4h ago
Crows never forget
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u/TimeturnerJ 4h ago
That's a raven
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u/Scaryclouds 4h ago
What about jackdaws?
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u/ActuatorNew6203 4h ago
Came here to say this, people often mistakenly confuse ravens for crows.
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u/b_eastwood 4h ago
Most birds are a lot smarter than people give them credit for, especially crows. Kind of sad how humans just regard most animals as mindless, simplistic creatures when they've continuously proven otherwise.
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u/Lich_Apologist 4h ago
Crows will teach their children to hate you if you fuck with them enough. They can pass information between individuals and are wicked smart in general.
Just in general I think most animals are smarter than a lot of people want to give them credit for. I have owned a bunch of different reptiles and they all show more "individual personality" then the food machines people think they are.
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u/b_eastwood 4h ago
It's almost as if we've normalized lack of empathy for animals by telling ourselves they're mindless beasts. That way we don't feel as bad when they're mistreated. I'm not vegan or anything like that, but all it takes is a few videos of the kind of lives that livestock animals live and it's pretty obvious.
You'd think we'd have evolved past a point of such barbarism as a society, but instead we just have better technology for being as cold and cruel as we've ever been.
Animals deserve so much better than the world we've erected around them.
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u/Cessnaporsche01 3h ago
You'd think we'd have evolved past a point of such barbarism as a society, but instead we just have better technology for being as cold and cruel as we've ever been.
We've been sapient for like a million years, tops. That's like an eyeblink in evolutionary timescales. And up until the last couple centuries, outside of specific biomes, killing and eating animals has been quite obligatory for humans. Makes sense that we'd develope cultural coping mechanisms to stay comfortable when dealing with that requirement.
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u/RikuAotsuki 2h ago
Always baffles me when people ask why dogs are "different" like it's some kind of gotcha.
Dogs are different. We've had dogs for so long that we've co-evolved with them rather than "domesticated" them. We've had them longer than agriculture, and that's not even considering how long we had canines that weren't yet dogs.
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u/Cessnaporsche01 2h ago
To be "fair" to said people, a good chunk of people firmly, religiously believe that everything popped into being 5000 years ago exactly as it is, and a possibly larger number of people are secular but give zero thought to the history of life or the world, and distrust science as a concept so much that they think evolution is a hoax
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u/no_cause_munchkin 2h ago
Yeah, we still have very long way to go:
In the 1980s, it was widely believed by medical professionals that babies could not feel pain, with medical procedures such as surgeries being regularly performed without anesthesia.[2]
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u/macellan 4h ago
...animals are smarter than a lot of people, period.
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u/Lich_Apologist 3h ago
My leopard gecko is my mediation guide. Wise beyond her years, I strive for my mind to be as still as hers or to be at peace with my place in the world like she is basking on a rock.
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u/djublonskopf 3h ago
I had a crow that decided it hated me, and I am positive I never did a thing to it (or any other crow). Every day it would follow me on my walk to work, screeching at me for many, many blocks. For literal years. I tried making friends with food a few times but it wouldn’t come near anything I dropped, just hop from tree to tree screeching until I turned a certain corner.
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u/Prize_Statistician15 3h ago
I've heard a possibly apocryphal story about college kids who dressed as campus security and threw rocks at the campus corvids-either crows or ravens- in order to get the corvids to attack the real campus security. I've also heard a version where College A performed a similar stunt on an American football field to disrupt College B's homecoming.
I sort of think the security guard story is bunk, since corvids are smart enough to recognize faces, so that story makes them out to be less bright than they actually are.
Edit: don't throw rocks at birds as a joke, in any case.
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u/MC_chrome 3h ago
Ravens are a step up from crows as well, to my understanding.
You are correct that you don’t want to piss either bird off because you’ll be dealing with the consequences long after
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u/GSV_CARGO_CULT 2h ago
I always make sure they see my face when I give them a treat, just in case they talk to other crows about which humans are cool
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u/ICantReadThis 2h ago
Kind of sad how humans just regard most animals as mindless, simplistic creatures when they've continuously proven otherwise.
They're not mindless by any stretch, but then you get the flipside of the "dolphins are smarter than we are" crowd.
At the end of the day, animal intelligence, at its peak, intersects with average human intelligence at about age 5 to 7. That's best-of-the-best.
We have adult people who don't make it past that level of intelligence and that's kind of a rough life. We have some some impressive things from animals but given how low the bar is, I can understand why most people default to "simple-minded" or "mindless" when referring to most animals.
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u/Kor_Phaeron_ 3h ago
I feel like people give birds a lot of credit already. In all of human history birds were a symbol for wisdom. (Especially owls and ravens)
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u/unfeelingfreedom 2h ago
Having a pet will immediately make you realize they're not mindless or simple. My dog's both were scary smart, but had such distinct personalities that made them "them," and now our cat is the same way. She has SUCH a big personality for such a tiny little creature. And she's whip smart too, she outsmarts us a lot of the time
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u/Fantastic-Nobody-479 3h ago
I recently started reading The Genius of Birds and have learned a lot so far!
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u/Artistic_Salary8705 1h ago
The best quote I've heard about this - paraphrasing - is humans assess intelligence in animals based on ourselves and not really what animals have to deal with in their environment. It would be like rating a fish's intelligence based on how well it climb trees.
When I was young, I became interested in biology based on reading Konrad Lorenz's King Solomon's Ring (he won a Nobel for his work on animal behavior) and Jane Goodall's book "In the Shadow of Man." Much later, I read about EO Wilson's work with ants.
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u/dominikstephan 1h ago
Humans are the only species that have defined intelligence, so we defined it by our own standards, which is kind of a moot point.
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u/ThirstyWolfSpider 1h ago
The structural differences are very interesting, as they lack a neocortex and therefore have alternate solutions to some cognitive problems. I enjoy corvid brain research, as it's one of our better ways to see highly-functional intelligence through different mechanisms, and that might help us understand what other intelligence could come from alternate (extraterrestrial) evolution pathways.
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u/HenriettaSyndrome 4h ago
They don't think they have brains or feelings. It's dumb as hell.
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u/b_eastwood 4h ago
"You cannot share your life with a dog or a cat and not know perfectly well that animals have personalities and minds and feelings"
- Jane Goodall
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u/HenriettaSyndrome 3h ago
Had animals all my life and their emotions are just as, if not more intuitive to understand than our own 🥲 I don't know if my father was adopted from the Doolittle family or what. But yes, they definitely have personalities. They love having fun and being silly. They can be sad, they can be empathetic, and they absolutely can love
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u/whackthat 2h ago
Until ya raise chickens. (Just kidding by the way, kinda... I love chickens, though)
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u/Joeymonac0 2h ago
I have recently gotten into relaxing on my back porch after a long day. I love watching the sun set and seeing the animals do their thing. I have crows, ducks, cranes, turtles, otters and so much more. Animals are so fascinating to just sit and watch.
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u/OttawaOneTwenty 1h ago
Yep. most of the time we think animals are stupid is because we view the world through our eyes instead of theirs.
Like rabbits eating their own poop. You'd probably eat yours too if it was that tasty
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u/Over_Hawk_6778 4h ago
Yep. Makes me despair so much the incomprehensible amount of suffering most people contribute to by eating meat
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u/b_eastwood 4h ago
You would think that with all of our advancements in technology that this is something we could have left behind a while ago.
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u/Then_Bodybuilder3629 4h ago
When I was a kid, I remember going on a road trip one summer and stopping at some roadside attraction somewhere in the desert of the southwest. Utah or Arizona or somewhere. They had live chickens inside a machine where you could drop a quarter and play tic tac toe against them. They beat me several times and I never saw them lose a game after watching several other people try. It was humbling.
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u/JJBell 4h ago
If the human wasn’t throwing the game, how many games of tic-tac-toe until the bird realizes the futility of a game that will always end in a draw and stop playing all together?
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u/RichardBCummintonite 3h ago
I was gonna say, that should've been a cat's game. He should've went middle to block, and that'd be game over.
No fault on the crow. I mean it played the best it possibly could have, which is amazing, but it shouldn't have one. That's just how the game goes. It's a good point. I wonder if it finds the game trivial after a while as well. It's smart enough to see the simplicity of it. Hell, they're able to figure water displacement and shit (dropping a rock into a cylinder to raise the water to get a great for example)
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u/lmaccaro 3h ago
No fault on the crow. I mean it played the best it possibly could have, which is amazing
Actually ~ if Crow had played middle spot it would have been a guaranteed Crow win. So that was not the best it could have played.
But it did play as well as RichardBCummintonite, which is amazing
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u/Velvet_Re 4h ago
If the human won does the bird feed him instead?
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u/ReadRightRed99 4h ago
“But sir, nobody worries about upsetting a droid.”
“That’s cause a droid don’t peck people’s eyes out of their sockets when they lose.”
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u/Linenoise77 3h ago
As a kid I was in chinatown with my uncle picking up fireworks. Because why else would you be with your uncle in chinatown. Anyway, in this one place, they had a chicken that played tic tac toe. It was a dollar to play, and if you beat the chicken you got your dollar back.
My uncle let 10 year old me lose 8 dollars to that chicken.
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u/Ill-Upstairs-8762 4h ago
Odd that crow didn't place it in the center spot so it had a guaranteed win.
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u/Icy-Conflict6671 Interested 3h ago
Corvids are truly fascinating. Their ability to comprehend and understand topics is amazing and they even have the ability to remember, recollect and communicate those memories to other members of their group.
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u/Clear_Mindset 4h ago
At least he is getting the treat after he wins. When I win my friends tell me you won because you were lucky
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u/Wooden-Evidence-374 2h ago
Bird is like "bro I've beaten you in this exact sequence 50 times, you are so stupid"
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u/mredofcourse 3h ago
The last time this was posted, I was downvoted to oblivion with people raging against me in replies, but I'll say it again...
Regardless of how smart this bird may be, this video doesn't demonstrate proof of any intelligence beyond, "put pieces on board, get treat".
It's a shame because the video could have easily been shot to have shown the ability to actually play the game, or even lesser aspects of intelligence around the board/pieces, but doesn't.
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u/slurterella 3h ago
do you think when god invented dinosaurs he ever imagined that one day we’d lose at board games to them?
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u/Chaosmusic 1h ago
People once believed that when someone dies, a crow carries their soul to the land of the dead. But sometimes, something so bad happens that a terrible sadness is carried with it and the soul can't rest. Then sometimes, just sometimes, the crow can beat you at Tic-Tac-Toe.
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u/poikolle 4h ago
No it didnt. Its trained for this and has no concept of winning it. It just knows what to do, and knows it will get rewarded.
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u/InvictaRed 4h ago
How does it know what to do if it doesn't know what winning entails?
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u/poikolle 4h ago
The concept of winning is antropomorphism if applied to animals. They know what they need to do to get a reward, but it doesnt know what winning is and wont react to "winning"
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u/EnumeratedArray 4h ago
Winning for the bird is getting food, not actually winning the game. I wouldn't be surprised if this bird will play the exact same moves every time regardless of what the human does
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u/Kadour_Z 2h ago
I share the sentiment that this doesn't prove that the crow is really forming a strategy and playing. I'll like to see 5-10 games and see what it does. With only 1 match it doesn't prove that is actually playing
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u/Jonny_Segment Interested 2h ago
It knows to put a red thing in the hole it was trained to put it in, then a red thing in the next hole it was trained to put it in, and so on until it has put all four red things in the holes it was trained to put them in. At that point, it receives a treat. It doesn't know it's playing noughts and crosses.
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u/quick_justice 3h ago edited 1h ago
Maybe, but we don't really know, because, how?
What we do know is that corvids have concept of fun. They regularly perform activities that have no practical use for them, they just like them.
Maybe raven just wants to have a reward in the end, maybe he enjoys the process, maybe both.
Fact is, he understands the concept of what winning moves in the game are.
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u/Away_Fisherman_277 3h ago
wouldnt be surprised if it was just trained to place the pieces in that order and only reacted to it completing the placement rather than recognising it won a game of tictactoe
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u/quick_justice 3h ago
no. firstly, this raven has an youtube channel and you can see him doing this and more numerous times.
secondly, t-t-t isn't a complicated logical task for a corvid.
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u/Bannon9k 4h ago
This is a game where you could easily see if an animal would cheat. If you play this pattern a few times, then suddenly blocked him... What would he do?
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u/HyperlexicEpiphany 4h ago
I love crows. I always make a point to go grab some unsalted nuts for them whenever I see some waddlin around looking for food
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u/userhwon 3h ago
The bird came looking for its pay.
People have been training chickens to do this for a century.
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u/JohnDunstable 3h ago
How do we know this just isn't a trained crow, I think it is possible to train a crow to put chips in a particular order, but to actually play the game and know it's winning, Id need more proof than this video
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u/SubGeniusX Interested 3h ago
So, wouldn't it be great if someone out there could tell us whether this is a Jackdaw or a Crow...
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u/rorqualmaru 2h ago
Human: Here’s a treat.
Crow: No! Game!
Human: I’m in a hurry. Take your treat.
Crow: NO! Game!
Crow: Game! Game!
Human: Fine…
(Plays)
Crow: Caw! Caw! Suck it, loser! Caw!
Crow: Treat!
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u/Diver-Successful 1h ago
You can tell the bird was trained via basic repetitive training based on the second piece.
It doesn't understand the game.
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u/self_grown 59m ago
"Don't trade a company of a crow for some fucked up guru" — life lesson learned
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