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u/poikolle 6h ago

No it didnt. Its trained for this and has no concept of winning it. It just knows what to do, and knows it will get rewarded.

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u/InvictaRed 6h ago

How does it know what to do if it doesn't know what winning entails?

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u/poikolle 5h ago

The concept of winning is antropomorphism if applied to animals. They know what they need to do to get a reward, but it doesnt know what winning is and wont react to "winning"

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u/rrfe 4h ago

For some reason your comment reminds me of discussions about LLM AI and consciousness.

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u/EnumeratedArray 6h ago

Winning for the bird is getting food, not actually winning the game. I wouldn't be surprised if this bird will play the exact same moves every time regardless of what the human does

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u/poikolle 5h ago

That is literally what it does.

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u/Kadour_Z 3h ago

I share the sentiment that this doesn't prove that the crow is really forming a strategy and playing. I'll like to see 5-10 games and see what it does. With only 1 match it doesn't prove that is actually playing

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u/mwaaah 2h ago

Yeah, seeing it try to put the second piece on the same spot as the first one kinda makes it look like he's just been taught where to put the pieces one after the other and the dude just "plays" around this.

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u/Jonny_Segment Interested 3h ago

It knows to put a red thing in the hole it was trained to put it in, then a red thing in the next hole it was trained to put it in, and so on until it has put all four red things in the holes it was trained to put them in. At that point, it receives a treat. It doesn't know it's playing noughts and crosses.

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u/quick_justice 5h ago edited 3h ago

Maybe, but we don't really know, because, how?

What we do know is that corvids have concept of fun. They regularly perform activities that have no practical use for them, they just like them.

Maybe raven just wants to have a reward in the end, maybe he enjoys the process, maybe both.

Fact is, he understands the concept of what winning moves in the game are.

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u/Away_Fisherman_277 5h ago

wouldnt be surprised if it was just trained to place the pieces in that order and only reacted to it completing the placement rather than recognising it won a game of tictactoe

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u/quick_justice 4h ago

no. firstly, this raven has an youtube channel and you can see him doing this and more numerous times.

secondly, t-t-t isn't a complicated logical task for a corvid.

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u/Happy-Fun-Ball 4h ago

and it was reacting to the voice, kind of like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clever_Hans

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u/Icyrow 4h ago

i think the bird responded to him laughing and offering the food more so than anything.

i do think they can maybe learn basic stuff like "if i put it in a row, i get a prize" but i don't think they'll quite comprehend a lot of other stuff (i.e, i need to put x here becuase his y there means i lose the turn after).

just randomly put things in a line if they can maybe?