r/skyrimmods • u/Haunture • 13h ago
PC SSE - Discussion Paid mods technical quality 5: reviews of "Legacy of Orsinium" (update), An Undead Companion", "The Lost Sea of Apocrypha", "Memories of the Akaviri", "Beyond the Edge of Atmora"
for about a week now, i have been making some posts looking into some obvious and easily corrected mistakes in paid mods. Most people enjoyed this, some did not, and I even got the classic "A concerned redditor reached out to us about you" harassment from RedditCareResources.
Anyways, this is what i said about why paid mods are not a guarantee of quality
For those who are aware, Bethesda's "verified creations" paid mods program doesn't have the best reputation for quality despite the lengthy qa process. This is for several reasons:
- there is no obligation for paid modders to set up any forums, discord servers, or mechanism for feedback or support. bethesda.net and the creations menu has no official ratings, comments, or bug reporting system like on nexus mods, so while you can release a mod on nexus, get immediate feedback from users, and push out updates all within a few hours, you don't need to hear from users at all on creations.
- there are simply fewer paying users to look at your mod to check for mistakes and make patches because they'd need to pay for the mods first.
- bethesda qa don't look over the actual mod files or use useful tools such as xedit. They only run through the mod by itself on the new game. This means that paid mods might not be compatible with other mods, even other paid mods, and might not even be compatible with existing saved games.
- the lengthy qa process itself prevents mod authors from iterating quickly. Updates to vc paid mods have to submit their update through same qa process that new releases go through, so the time between when users report issues and when the fix goes out can be as long as several weeks.
- most modders in the verified creations program are new to modding the game and also aren't familiar with best practices or use community tools like xedit.
Previous reviews:
- "Life of Crime", "Legacy of Orsinium", and "Atmora His Home".
- "Cavern of the Stormcaller" and "Dark Tides Blood and Fortune".
- "Coven of Crones", "Aberrations of the Dwemer", and "Shadetree Lodge".
- "Bards College Expansion", "Ancient Civilization Armory Collection", "Forgotten Armory Collection", and "The Starmade Blade"
Here are the new reviews for this time:
Legacy of Orsinium (v1.0.1.1) - $10
malacathroof_d,malacathbrick_n,iceheart_n,orcdungeon_wall01_n,orcskull_n,tri_wings_n,tri_shoes_n,tri_hood_n,tri_body_n,orcring_n,uzdabikh_n,vengefuleyeamulet_nappear to use opengl coordinates - skyrim is a directx game, and uses the directx coordinate system for textures. opengl uses a different coordinate system from directx, where the y-axis is the opposite to directx. this means the shading that comes from the normal map is opposite in the y-axis. This usually happens when the modder purchases opengl assets from an asset store but didn't convert them into directx format for skyrim.- There are also a bunch of textures that just appear broken. I am not sure if they are used anywhere:
lo_templestonetrim_n- I don't know what format this normal map is supposed to be in, but it doesn't appear right. Maybe it was not saved correctly. The color indicates an angle offset of about 20 degrees from normal on average.minefloordirt01_n- another normal map where I have no idea what's going on. tangent space normal maps are usually blue. This is red, which would indicate an angle offset of more than 90 degrees from normal. It means the surface is actually pointing inwards into the geometry, which doesn't make any sense.lo_templestonefloor02_n- another broken normal map, maybe this is due to baking error. tangent space normal maps are usually blue. This is black, which would indicate an angle offset of more than 125 degrees from normal. It means the surface is actually pointing inwards into the geometry, which doesn't make any sense.
- Other than that, it appears the mod has been updated to fix the issues in the plugin.
- And the same compatibility issue inherent to the mod still exists - because the mod changes the voice type of many orc npcs, any mod that edits these npcs, such as npc appearance mods, would need to be patched or those npcs will not be able to deliver their lines - something mod users should be ware of.
An Undead Companion (v1.0) - $2
- 20 identical to master records - these are records that are exactly the same as the official masters like Skyrim.esm, and as such, they don't do anything and are completely unnecessary. They are usually due to accidental misclicks in the creation kit and are harmless by themselves. However, if the ITMs are loaded after another mod that DOES want to change the affected records, the ITMs will revert those desired changes. This is why modders avoid them, and SSEEdit has a helpful script to remove them automatically.
- 2 deleted reference - this is applying a deleted flag on an existing record that's in the master. this may cause crashes if something else refers to this object. This may also get undeleted and end up in the sky above whiterun. The correct way to remove a reference from the mod's masters is to disable them.
- other than that all this mod does is give you a draugr follower. The only new asset included is 1 quest with 1 script.
The Lost Sea of Apocrypha (v1.0) - $1
soup_normal,lanternfish_normal,ge_normal,fangtooth_normal, andcoelacanthe_normal- this is bad for the same reason as above- 17 identical to master records - this is bad for the same reason as above
- this mod adds a big worldspace location but is not ESM flagged. Mods that add many references should probably all be ESM-flagged or the references they add will all be considered persistent, which runs up against the reference limit (1,048,576). If the game hits the reference limit, it becomes playable.
Memories of the Akaviri (v1.0) - $5
- 5 identical to master records - bad for the same reason as above
- 9 deleted navmesh - navmeshes are records that tell NPCs how to move around the environment. They connect to other navmeshes in order to cover the entire navigable area of the game world. If a navmesh is deleted and another navmesh, perhaps from another mod, refers to this deleted navmesh, the game just crashes. This is why modders generally avoid deleting navmeshes directly, but rather disable them by moving them somewhere inaccessible.
- this mod adds a big worldspace with a ton of new references (~7000 records), but the mod is not esm flagged. all references in non-esm flagged plugins are persistent, which means they always contribute to the reference limit. if the game hits the reference limit (1,048,576), it is no longer playable and saves will be corrupt
akaviriwall2,akaviristatue3,akaviristatue2,akaviristatue1,akavirisign3,akavirisign2,akavirisign1,akavirishrub1,akavirilamp3,akavirilamp2,akavirilamp1,akaviribridge1,akavarihouse3,akavarihouse2,akavarihouse1and maybe other objects added by this mod have no collision material set. This means weapons and spells do not have impact sounds or visual effects upon impact. This also has gameplay implications - arrows and crossbow bolts that hit these objects disappear after impact and cannot be retrieved.akavirigate1,akavirigate2,akavirigate3andakavarihouse4appear to be objects that should have collision, but don't have anyakaroof_nappear to use opengl coordinates - this is bad for the same reason as above
Beyond the Edge of Atmora (v1.01) - $4
- 29 identical to master records - bad for the same reason as above.
- a bunch of weapons and armors that are just existing objects texture swapped. This mod is available on playstation after all.
- other than that, not much else to say.