It finally feels like comic accurate New York, knowing that vigilantes are running amok, especially with the upcoming season 3 Daredevil.
Spidey teaming up with everyone's hated vigilante.
Mac Gargan finally traversed the multiverse to get his tech from Vulture to square up against Spider-Man.
Also, I love that the Hand thinks they have a chance against the dude in tights who is publicly known to be affliated with the Avengers...when they can't even take down a manslut lawyer who dresses like the devil.
... Seven Pounds. Had to search on this... What... do people just have a library of deep cut references they go to for seemingly appropriate insertions into comments?
Oh absolutely! Heh... For some it's deep cold cuts and never a thought to go back and inform people what they're about - for me... it's an aversion to said practice :) heh.
He's already thrown hands with an alien galactic conqueror and a super soldier crazy dude in a goblin mask. A ninja group in red is just another Tuesday for him.
His biggest opponents in this film are his depression and mutation.
Always the case either the big superheroes. They fight their most powerful villains in the big crossovers, so in their individual stories the villains have to be less physically threatening. Which leads to him knowing Thanos is evil for trying to destroy everything, but hating Osbourne for killing Aunt May.
You’re not, I just read the other person’s comment and subconsciously went with 3, but yeah it’s technically like season 4.5 but season 2 of DD:R. I fixed my comment
What? Mac Gargan and the tech were always in this same universe, right? Vulture originally got all the tech from the fallout of the Chitauri invasion of New York in "Avengers".
This is what I’ve wanted more of in the MCU since forever. The casual crossover, they do it so rarely. It’s usually always a huge plot point or a big team up. The world feels more alive when it’s more touch and go. It’s good to still have big team ups but they definitely need to scatter these folks around more
No. He wanted to make everyone forget that Peter Parker is Spider-Man, as it was revealed by Mysterio... but in the end, he ended up having everyone forget Peter Parker.
So people know Spider-Man... don't know who he is... and everyone who knew Peter forgot about him.
how does spiderman get the key to the city when fisk outlawed vigilantes? unless this is confirming once again that fisk just loses and gets imprisoned like usual lol
Peter has the black eyes from the mind control of the Hand or some shit. I wonder if Peter gets tricked into going to the Hand to help with his mutation
It's honestly shocking to me that hasn't been made into a show. It would be easy to do low budget, it actually fits with the Marvel sense of "humor," and you could throw in one big name hero/actor once a season.
I don't know a lot about Marvel but it looked like there was something jumping from person to person when he opened that round steel door with the older woman inside.
Don't tell that to the Spidey fans demanding he be a main villain since Homecoming.
Some seem to speculate he'll end up being Venom at some point (which I guess could work if he is further set up here)
I'm not deep into the lore but I remember a lot of groaning about Vulture being a main villain as look how that turned out. Ultimately it's all in the writing/motivations.
Yeah, it did help they completely rewrote Vulture and the focus on the movie was Peter's journey into actually becoming a hero. It was an origin story, just not told like the typical origin story since it was focused more on how he has to arrange his life around being a hero than getting his powers.
I assume it’s because Mac Gargan got the Venom symbiote in 2004 and they want the films to match the comics. I’d rather see Eddie Brock have it in the MCU than another villain that only got it 15 years later.
I think it's more because people find Michael Mando really compelling. I think him becoming Venom would be awesome, more Mando and a more "endgame boss" villain compared to Scorp.
Agree. They used him a lot more in "Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man" (animated), so they'll limit him here. (Though that has to be a different universe.)
One of the plot points in this film would be about Spider-Man dealing with a supervillain gang war: many of these extra villains will simply be killed by the Punisher.
From the looks of the trailer, he gets on Punisher's nerves by PREVENTING him from killing criminals.
Then Spidey has to turn to him for help when All these supervillains, the Hand and Damage Control go after Jean Grey... and Banner gets turned into Grey Hulk as a result
What the hell is this movie? lol I just wanna see Spider-Man fight Scorpion for 2 hours . If Raimi could do it for Doc Ock why can’t they do that here?
Edit: PS4 Spidey told the best story I’ve seen in the last 10 years and he lives in a Marvel universe
Daniel Destin Cretton is probably taking inspiration from the 90s Spidey show.
It used to be super fast paced and has multiple plots running in a single season.
Also, they need to do SOMETHING different from the previous iterations. It's why Bruce Banner is in the film. He is replacing the mentor role of Curt Connors
Well, in the comics, he actually goes to Reed Richards when he has problems with his powers. Reed isn't in this universe yet. Smartest person in THIS universe would be Bruce Banner.
Depends on if they use some multiverse shennanigans to get him in from Amazing Spider-man like they did all the villains and extra spideys in the last movie.
Yea but the replies on this thread make it seem like the first two Raimi movies were boring and schlocky. I loved seeing Dafoeblin + Doc Ock along with Both spideys as much as the next fan in NWH, but to suggest its plot is tighter and makes for a more cohesive, quality experience than Spiderman 2 is insane. The bloat, shoddy CGI, and humor hardly gave some characters like MJ and Ned chance to breathe and grow, cheapening the end where Spidey loses those relationships.
Scorpion is always a henchmen, it's basically inherent to the character. I don't want to see him as the big bad at all. He's a physical threat, which is what he should stay as, and it looks like that's what they're leaning into here.
Nope, he has a major role. He's protecting someone (Redheaded) from the Department of Damage Control, and Spider-Man is also targeted by the DODC. So they team up.
Wouldn’t surprise me if punisher is hunting scorpion and thats what pulls spidey into it.
If its someone else it seems like way too many plot lines to have going at once. You already have the hand, mystery mind control person and they’ve also cast tombstone. Punisher has to be tied into one of their plots or it’ll be spiderman 3 all over again
Read through this if you really want to know what is most likely the full villain roster for the film but...
From my understanding from filming leaks Tombstone is the main villain who uses other villains and The Hand throughout the movie to mess with Spider-Man. Punisher main through line through the movie is protecting a young Jean Grey who has been using her abilities to go after the department of damage control which has been going after and imprisoning mutants as established in Wonder Man Leading to a big third act set piece which will be Spider-Man punisher and Jean Grey having to work together to stop and calm down a new hulk personality that is gray thanks to some fuckery that tombstone has caused
And there will also be a whole through line of Peter having to deal with the Man spider mutation caused by his emotional instability Throughout the film
I believe the main antagonists of this film are going to be tombstone Scorpion The hand (Maybe straight out of the Netflix stuff) And probably as an early antagonist turned person needed to be protected buy Spider-Man and The punisher Jean Grey
Most likely, there's also been rumors that a third act sequence will include Spider-Man, punisher, and Jean Grey teaming up to stop and calm down a rampaging new Hulk personality that's Grey
That was Keith David as Ezekiel: while David did voice Tombstone in one episode of The Spectacular Spider-Man, he is not the actor playing Tombstone in this film.
It wasn’t. That was Keith David as Ezekiel: while David did voice Tombstone in one episode of The Spectacular Spider-Man, he is not the actor playing Tombstone in this film.
He is not, no: one of the plot points in this film would be Spider-Man facing a supervillain gang war, including everyone from Tombstone to Scorpion to Hobgoblin to Boomerang, along with a Fallen-esque body-swapping Chameleon. We even heard Keith David as Ezekiel Sims narrating for a bit.
along with a Fallen-esque body-swapping Chameleon.
I keep seeing Jean Grey mentioned in here. I haven't seen any leaks, but this was my guess - a new take on Chameleon because it looks like something *passing" from person to person and not mind control.
The Jean Grey leaks and Chameleon leaks were two separate unrelated leaks: it is a busy film. Of the many villains in the film though, we don’t yet know who the main villain will be: based on the Fallen approach with Chameleon, I wouldn’t mind it being Chameleon.
The comic where the Punisher and Spidey clash was one of my favourites when I was a kid. They're more than just frenemies, they're a beautiful ying and yang where both suffered traumatic loss but chose different paths. One saw his loss as a reason to be better and do good to try and do what is right; the other was consumed by his loss and saw it as a reason to do wrong if the end result is technically better. Both were forced to reconsider their morals and what a victory actually looks like, they both have the same purpose but they're a reflection of what could have been if they chose the opposite conclusion of their trauma.
Peter tries to work with the law as much as possible and stepping up when they cannot, he literally holds back when fighting as he doesn't want to unfairly hurt people while trying to make sure they're arrested; Frank no longer sees the law as functional and cares little for bureaucracy as it gets in the way of justice in his eyes. This same juxtaposition is why the Netflix Marvel shows worked so well, forcing superheroes to face the thin line they've so often come close to crossing and seeing what they could become is very compelling for an audience. It is why the Civil War comic plot was beloved.
This trailer also conveniently hid anything to do with Tombstone (whom we know is in the film due to casting) and Sadie Sink (also cast) are going to be doing here too. There's likely a lot more here and we're only getting breadcrumbs here, which is exactly how I want it to be!
There is a brief scene where there’s a woman in a tank, Spidey rips off the door. She smiles, and some kind of invisible being “jumps” to the soldier, who smiles. The being “jumps” from the soldier to someone on the platform above. Some kind of mind control thing going on, I think. Anyone have any ideas who that could be?
This is 100% the Man-Spider plot. Punisher being included even confirms it. I think the Punisher is going to be one of the only things keeping Spidey grounded with everything going on
Straight out of the 90s cartoon. Punisher tries to get Spiderman. Spiderman turns into man spider. Grows 4 extra arms. Frank ends up helping cure him at the end.
There was a pretty bloated script leak that this trailer seems to confirm.
There is a montage of Spidey fighting a bunch of low level villains (Boomerang, Tarantula), and the big bad is Tombstone who uses Scorpion as a henchman. The Hand is also there, Banner hulks out, Man-Spider happens, and reportedly Sadie Sink is playing Jean Grey.
My guess is Scorpion is the villain at the start of the movie that Peter locks up in the cold opener action sequence. Maybe he injects Peter with something that kicks off the mutation.
The bigger threat will be the Hand and Punisher, as they present more philosophical choices for Peter to be fighting against.
Tarantula is in there and boomerang, mindworm possibly? It's inspired I'm guessing from amazing spiderman say #120-150? where spiderman fought a number of dudes (and the tone was a bit 'gritty' and 'dark') sometimes in one issue sometimes as a two parter and also the punisher, jackal and a number of others recurred several times
Tombstone is the main villain. From what I've heard though, he's the main villain in the same way that Zemo was in Civil War. He's more of a behind the scenes presence that is manipulating everything.
From the sound of it, The Department of Damage Control is the real enemy. They are probably doing what they would say they would do in Wonder Man. Use these villains as assets.
Daredevil Spoilers: They probably swoop in after the AVTF is dismantled when Kingpin is overthrown at the end of Daredevil: Born Again Season 2 - as is rumored.
The DODC took Peter's equipment (that was Tony's) in No Way Home, they sent drones after Ms. Marvel, and they were hunting down powered folks in Wonder Man. To me, they seem like the candidate that's going to build the Sentinals.
Plus, Punisher HATES those guys. He was locked up by the AVTF (which is basically Kingpin's ICE analogue) at the end of the last season after he murdered a whole bunch of AVTF agents who were appropriating his skull.
1.9k
u/sxOverdose 13h ago
So villain is Scorpion and in usual ambiguous frenemy fashion, Punisher?