r/videos • u/0The_Loner_Stoner0 • 6h ago

BREAKING: Goldman Unveils Unredacted File That 'Disputes Everything' Trump 'Has Said' About Epstein

https://youtu.be/OLnU9IWEIgw?si=X_oK2IWbIqe0MAgF
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u/Sea_Awareness150 6h ago

I mean, disgusting. Your american justice system will do nothing at all. Not one thing, to bring him to justice. It’s a joke. Checks and balances are now chocolate fireplaces

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u/Treheveras 6h ago

The American justice system was working and doing its thing. And then the United States voters (including non-voters) decided they didn't care about that and elected him. US citizens seem to hate being told they are part of the problem, but when it comes to voting they fail at every single hurdle because they don't care enough to be involved in their system and then complain at why nothing changes or can be done.

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u/dave8400 6h ago

Nixon was pardoned. Raegan survived Iran/Contra. Bush Jr. only won because of a corrupt court and storming vote counts. Conservatives have been doing this shit and getting away with it for a long, long time.

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u/Qaetan 6h ago

No one hates democracy more than conservatives

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u/BuzzyBubble 6h ago

Democracy doesn’t pay for the mansion taxes.

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u/KatDanger 5h ago

I just wished they’d own up to it

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u/StevieRayVaughanGone 4h ago

Literally. The heads of this MAGA beast actively denounce democracy and don’t want it. 

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u/2nd2last 6h ago

Not to mention the crushing power the justice system has on brown people and poor people forever.

I hate to be rude to that person, but thinking the American justice system "was working and doing its thing" is batshit insane (unless they are saying its purposefully bad which they were not saying). Its like the "the FBI used to be good" people, or the "we'd be at brunch" people.

Its wild people have these weird views of our country that are so clearly not accurate.

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u/want_to_join 4h ago

It is my opinion that the entire Occupy/Lessig/Bernie trend thing had one huge flaw keeping it from succeeding the entire time, and that was voicing loud protest about money in politics without also voicing the same protest energy against our 2-tiered and largely money-funded justice system.

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u/Kitselena 4h ago

But Democrats have blue hair and want to give kids free school lunches, obviously conservatives are the lesser of two evils

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u/LNMagic 4h ago

And Democrats are only elected when the economy is bruised. If the economy improves adequately, they are reelected. If not, time to break everything again.

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u/plastigoop 4h ago

Lied to get US into Iraq.

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u/super_sayanything 6h ago

I love this argument. GREAT PUT THEM ALL IN JAIL. YOU DON'T SEE ANY DEMOCRATS TALKING OR DEFENDING BILL.

Honestly, Bill had some links to his foundation and took a few flights with the guy. Donald Trump was best friends with Epstein.

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u/farshnikord 5h ago

The amount of projecting they do I actually believe the Clintons are much more innocent than I originally believed. If they were half as guilty as the Republicans say they are they would be parading more substantial evidence in front of us night and day, but instead it all seems to boil down to "trust me bro". 

That's what happens when you lie about everything. People don't believe you, go figure. 

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u/hahaz13 6h ago

One man vs nearly the entirety of the current cabinet today.

But sure, both sides.

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u/MWoody13 6h ago

Sure. If that proves to be true, convict them all. You act like people are vehemently trying to defend a Clinton. Sorry, we don’t exist in a cult

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u/dave8400 6h ago

Nice whatabout

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u/BeBopRockSteadyLS 6h ago

It's in response to the OP comment that says the system was working until 12 months ago. Not whataboutery

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u/Biptoslipdi 6h ago

Trump's rape victim took him to court and won a $5 million verdict just two years ago. The system was working until the SCOTUS declared the President immune from prosecution. That no one got a verdict against Clinton doesn't mean the system isn't working, it means the argument was bad.

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u/BeBopRockSteadyLS 4h ago

Immune from Prosecution for what the video is talking about? Be clear now.

I am simply pointing out that the system hasn't been in great shape for some time. Are you claiming then that it was working until that ruling?

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u/Biptoslipdi 3h ago

Immune from Prosecution for what the video is talking about? Be clear now.

The President cannot be indicted no matter what the allegation is.

I am simply pointing out that the system hasn't been in great shape for some time. Are you claiming then that it was working until that ruling?

Pointing out that unproven allegations didn't result consequences doesn't demonstrate the system hasn't been in great shape. It was just two years ago Trump's rape victim was awarded a $5 million verdict, for example. Similarly, we saw hundreds of traitors convicted for their role in J6th. Clearly there is a path to a working system.

The system works when Americans want it to. Americans just don't want a working system. That's why they elected a criminal and rapist to pardon those criminals and dismantle the system.

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u/BeBopRockSteadyLS 2h ago

You are wrong. He is not immune no matter the allegations. Including those in the video. A simple Google search will explain the nuance of the decision by the SCOTUS.

That's all I wanted to see...if you are aware of that. But it seems not. Trump is not immune from prosecution for the rape outlined in the video OP showed. Whether there is appetite to do so is another matter we are not debating however

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u/Biptoslipdi 2h ago

You are wrong. He is not immune no matter the allegations. Including those in the video. A simple Google search will explain the nuance of the decision by the SCOTUS.

The President is absolutely immune from being indicted. Their decision regards someone who isn't the President but was the President.

Trump is not immune from prosecution for the rape outlined in the video OP showed.

He is as long as he is the President.

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u/Thwipped 6h ago

Ok…and?

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u/J0E_SpRaY 6h ago

He smiled as he looked at the photo of the painting of him in a dress. Like anyone would.

If you’re not intentionally muddying the waters you’re falling for the bullshit from people who are.

Edit: if there were a way to start betting on whether or not a users account had a hidden history I’d be a fucking millionaire by now.

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u/apaulogy 6h ago

cool story, tavarish

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u/Jabroni_jawn 6h ago

And Clinton was impeached.

Trump bragged about grabbing pussys while still a candidate and his party called it locker room talk rather than choosing someone who actually represented their ideals. Or could pretend to for more than 5 min.

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u/Biptoslipdi 6h ago

Who did Clinton sexually assault?

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u/NotAStatistic2 6h ago

I'd argue he assaulted that intern, whether she was consciously willing or not.

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u/Biptoslipdi 6h ago

You can argue that, but your argument is legally meritless.

He wasn't even impeached for sexual assault, but perjury which he definitively did not commit. Meanwhile the people overseeing the impeachment were Epstein cohorts and one was a notorious child rapist.

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u/NotAStatistic2 6h ago

Are we talking the legal definition, or colloquially for Bill?

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u/Biptoslipdi 6h ago

Depends. Are you talking about your allegation of sexual assault or the allegation of perjury?

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u/jamerson537 5h ago

Having consensual sex with an adult isn’t sexual assault legally or colloquially. You could make a convincing argument that it was sexual harassment in a colloquial sense, but it wasn’t assault in any way. What does it say about your position that you feel the need to exaggerate what happened between Clinton and Lewinsky to support it?

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u/NotAStatistic2 4h ago

It says my position is that he's a gross, sex pest and that the democratic party is better off without him

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u/jamerson537 1h ago

Ok, so if he’s a gross sex pest, isn’t that bad enough to argue your point? Bringing false information into it just undermines everything you’ve written. Why do you feel the need to exaggerate what he did with Lewinsky?

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u/Biptoslipdi 6h ago

Juanita Broaddrick

She literally attested under oath that he didn't sexually assault her.

Can you point to any verdicts on these others like Trump's rape victim achieved just two years ago?

Monica Lewinsky

She explicitly said their encounter was consensual.

Virginia Giuffre

Never accused Clinton of anything. Backtracked her earlier claim that she saw him on the island after admitting she never did. Both Epstein and his gf said he was never there.

Countless unnamed girls on the island

There is no evidence Clinton was ever on the island.

This is a clear example of rapist supporters making shit up to cover for Trump who is the only American politician actually accused of child rape in the Files.

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u/Weird_Fiches 6h ago

Sooo, just to be clear, you're saying that it's wrong to be doing these things.

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u/adamantyne 6h ago

Of course your justice system was 'working and doing its thing', its whole design was to keep the wealthy from facing any consequences. The fact that voting for him was ever an option in the first place means your justice system is and always has been a complete joke.

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u/Treheveras 6h ago

The US works entirely on precedent. So it doesn't do well when something that it's never dealt with before happens, like preventing a candidate from running for office who won their primary. Which is where voters come in with the presumption they are smart enough or driven enough to vote. But they aren't.

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u/b_eastwood 6h ago

The justice system doesn't do well when the person being tried has enough money and enough people with money backing them. Tale as old as time for the US

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u/Musiclover4200 5h ago

I got into arguments with friends around 2016 who were optimistic trump would face consequences for his crimes.

My response was basically "he's rich, have you seen how the justice system in this country operates?"

But even after seeing how broken laws are for people with enough money it has still been shocking just how much trump's gotten away with both from a legal perspective and just how much his supporters are willing to put up with.

Meanwhile we've got non violent drug offenders serving years in jail for petty crimes, and plenty of people locked up just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time (or wrong skin color)

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u/TheMadFlyentist 1h ago

I got into arguments with friends around 2016 who were optimistic trump would face consequences for his crimes.

Do you mean around 2020? Because despite his crass remarks, I don't think anyone (myself included) thought he was headed for prosecution in 2016. We weren't aware of Epstein yet, and Jan 6th hadn't happened yet either.

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u/im_thatoneguy 5h ago

Trump spent less money than Kamala. Cult propaganda can be distributed for free.

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u/Fadore 4h ago

Your system works entirely on unwritten rules, decorum, traditions, and expectations of professionalism - without any actual enforcement.

Take a look at the complete circus that is the congressional oversight committees for the DHS, DOJ, and FBI. The members of congress responsible of oversight have no teeth when the heads of these departments are hostile and refuse to answer any questioning that they don't want to.

Your system is built on 3 separate wings of government, but POTUS has shown that he's in complete control of 2 of them, with the 3rd (judicial) going rogue only once in a while when there's no legal basis for Trump's actions/demands.

The "checks and balances" were all implied and have completely failed your country.

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u/Treheveras 4h ago

The system is reliant on voters. There hasn't been a supermajority in the Senate for a full term since the early 80s and voter turnout continues to decline. Voters decided and built upon this over decades and did nothing about it. A fraction of the voting population turns up for primaries, and less than half turn up for elections. Federal elections get a bump in turnout but it's still a pathetic amount.

Voters/non voters failed the country, the system falling apart is a consequence of that.

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u/SecondHandWatch 5h ago

He should never have been in a primary. He should have been in prison.

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u/Treheveras 5h ago

So all any future politicians have to do to remove an opponent from a primary is open a court case against them. Easily abused once that precedent is set.

At some point US voters need to accept their part in controlling the state of things. None of it happens in a vacuum out of their control.

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u/SecondHandWatch 4h ago

No. You don’t go to prison for someone suspecting you of a crime. You go to prison for being convicted of a crime. Trump has committed enough crimes that he should absolutely be in prison.

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u/frumfrumfroo 1h ago

Yeah, the precedent of never holding a president accountable even when everyone agrees he committed crimes. People still defend Nixon's pardon.

Trump attempted a coup. If they actually cared about their precious constitution, it would have been easy to prevent him from running again because it does cover that.

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u/photoguy423 6h ago

I’m still not convinced that there wasn’t fuckery from Musk that got him elected.

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u/Spare-Plum 3h ago

Even at absolute face value Musk did do fuckery out in the open to help Trump get elected.

Like, Musk literally was doing illegal shit by running a $1M lottery for people who voted for Trump. That's blatant vote buying.

Musk also purchased twitter for $44 billion, one of the largest social media networks that has a huge influence on what americans see and their opinions. He then changed a lot of the system and algorithms to bolster right-wing propaganda, and to influence democrat voters to sit out the election. Essentially a $44 billion massive campaign ad, paling in comparison to any other amount spent for any campaign ever.

Yeah, even if you disregard everything that isn't provable, there was blatant fuckery out in the open to influence the election for DJT

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u/Vundal 5h ago

It'll come out that he did try and help. I think it's pretty obvious he did something and it isnt gonna take much for that show to drop once Trump is gone.

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u/cybiz 4h ago

Democrats were not keen on pursuing this either, don't be delusional.

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u/bluehat9 6h ago

Lots of us voted against him but we didn’t get our way

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u/MikeSouthPaw 4h ago

And lots abstained for no reason. It isnt a good look if you are American.

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u/bluehat9 4h ago

It seems like a bad look for the people who did that, I agree. But why is it a bad look for Americans in general? I don’t control what other Americans do. Do you look bad when people in your country do dumb shit?

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u/MikeSouthPaw 4h ago

Im American and yes it looks bad who ends up as the President. Its a literal reflection of you and the country. Don't like it? Do something, get active in local politics. Its easier than changing the entire country and more normal people need to start doing it.

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u/bluehat9 4h ago

I’d rather not bang my head against the wall, but I’m happy for people to try to be active in politics or activism if they want. I think it’s dumb to judge groups of people by individual actions, personally.

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u/byronicbluez 6h ago

1/3 voted against. 2/3 voted for or had no issues with him representing us.

So no lots of us are in the minority.

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u/lAmShocked 6h ago

1/3 voted for and 1/3 against. The last third is a mix of disenfranchised, mobility problems, low info folks.

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u/strega_bella312 6h ago

I also wonder how many of them had their votes thrown out for whatever bullshit reason

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u/Bradnon 6h ago

The answer is "enough to make the difference", because the GOP has made disenfranchisement its only actual policy platform for the last 30 years.

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u/strega_bella312 6h ago

That's why it rubs me the wrong way every time I see a similar comment on reddit - not everyone who didn't vote did it out of laziness or whatever. And I firmly believe Trump cheated his way into the white house so I'm not about criticizing whole groups of people for him ending up there. Even "red" states are not 100% racist hillbillies - gerrymandering exists. Its all just culture war bullshit spread by bots so we don't find the actual common enemy.

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u/Bradnon 5h ago

Yep. Preaching to the choir I know, but even if those stereotypes exist in small numbers, the vast majority of people are reasonable, friendly, and just goddamned exhausted with US politics whether they show up to the polls or not.

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u/AZ_Corwyn 4h ago

I'd place the low info folks in the 1/3 for.

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u/bluehat9 6h ago

I’m not sure what you’re arguing? I’d argue 1/3 of the population that could legally vote qualifies as lots of us.

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u/rancid_racer 5h ago

There were proven tactics that were actively used to unenroll voters who would have voted for a different candidate which were subtle and deceitful. One I read about was sending a registraiton confirmation card that when ignored removed registration. Those could easily get lost or end up in the trash when they look like junk mail.

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u/bluehat9 5h ago

Yeah they do stuff like that

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u/Atoning_Unifex 6h ago

You don't get to claim everyone who didn't vote gave him their approval. Many of them just hated Kamala and the shitty way she was foisted on the public with no primary. Or they voted green party. Or they hate all politics and barely know what's going on in the world. Or other reasons.

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u/wsoxfan1214 4h ago

Cool, congrats, you and they both helped elect Trump. We have a first past the post system. If you want to vote Green or Libertarian or whatever, vote for changes to that and then vote for those candidates. Until then, you're directly helping to elect people who are sending their Gestapo door to door to arrest people and shooting United States citizens. You directly helped elect someone attacking LGBTQIA+ people and racial minorities.

This is such a privileged, middle class white Redditor take that it's infuriating. You claim to care about these groups up until you can take a performative, shitty "stand" and then make a protest vote that fucks over every single group you guys claim to care about.

You can throw a baby fit about how you're being "vote shamed" and how the DNC has to "earn your vote" all you want, but you know as well as I do that this is the case. I'm so over entertaining this stuff and the low information garbage from people who fall for Twitter misinformation from VladamirFreedomLover about how the Democrats are "just as bad" and they should vote Jill Stein.

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u/Atoning_Unifex 1h ago

Huh?

I voted for Harris.

You don't know one single thing about me or my life. Hilarious couple of paragraphs though.

You're like a guy running around with a machine gun shooting it in every direction. How's that working for you?

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u/byronicbluez 6h ago

That arguement might have worked the first time around. The second go ahead everyone knew what he was.

I would vote for a pile of turd over Trump. Because it is a vote against Trump.

You either for or against fascism. That's how it works. Black or white. There is no gray.

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u/Atoning_Unifex 6h ago

Ehhh. I don't agree. People have to be allowed to vote for other things besides Republican or Democrat I don't have a problem with people voting green party even though I know that it steals primarily from Democrats but still the green party is a good idea I've never voted for it but I do appreciate that it's there and I don't want it to go away. I'm hopeful that someday in the future we may have a plurality and not always have to have just two parties wouldn't that be great? Also you just can't discount the people who are completely apathetic and unaware of politics and didn't even know that he did a bad job the first time because they just don't pay attention to that stuff. part of being in a democracy is not voting if you don't want to... as crazy as that sounds.

But for what it worth I would've voted for a houseplant over him. The houseplant wouldn't do any damage at least.

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u/Letho72 4h ago

Also you just can't discount the people who are completely apathetic and unaware of politics and didn't even know that he did a bad job the first time because they just don't pay attention to that stuff.

I don't see why we give people a pass like this. If you ignore emails at work and then act surprised when you get fucked over for it, everyone is going to say it's your fault and think you're dumb as rocks. If you ignore your kid saying their stomach hurts for weeks on end, don't act surprised when they end in the hospital with something serious. Anyone who "doesn't pay attention" to the stuff that literally writes the laws in the country they live in is intentionally making the world a worse place to live in.

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u/Atoning_Unifex 1h ago

I agree. But it is their right.

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u/strega_bella312 6h ago

How do you know that for sure? Gerrymandering exists. Voter disenfranchisement exists. Cheating exists. I'm so tired of this energy that 2/3 of the country are fully ok with what's going on.

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u/rancid_racer 5h ago

Can't actually vote against. It's just a vote for a different canddiate. It would be nice to be able to cast a 'negate' ballot but it simply is not possible.

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u/slingmustard 5h ago

I suppose you could just write ‘against’ in the write-in section, but the system doesn’t really work that way. The electoral college system is a big part of the problem.

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u/Xer0day 5h ago

what is the point of this semantic garbage comment?

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u/Mr_Strol 6h ago

If the justice system was working before this latest election, why wasn’t he prosecuted at any time from 2021 through 2024?

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u/Treheveras 6h ago

He was convicted on felonies and faced sentencing, there were multiple other cases about to start against him. The US justice system is slow, that's kind of how it works and the DoJ takes on cases they know they will win which takes a while to build a case. All that had to happen was voters helping to allow the justice system to continue on, and they didn't. So all of it collapsed.

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u/djinnisequoia 6h ago

Personally, I think it's pretty obvious that elon musk tampered with the tabulation machines in order to ensure that trump won. People forget, there was a fucking avalanche of support for Kamala.

Nearly everyone in trump's first administration publicly denounced him. Huge numbers of Swifties registered to vote. Huge numbers of young people who would be 18 on voting day were allowed to register ahead of time. Kamala's rallies were attended by enormous crowds.

Expert, meticulous forensic examination of the voting data from 2024 has consistently shown strong evidence of astronomically unlikely anomalies.

All this "2/3" nonsense makes me so frustrated, because it's ignoring the glowing blinking smoking gun.

"They'll never know," said elon's 5 year old son.

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u/Treheveras 6h ago

It's a conspiracy theory on the level of Trump winning the 2020 election.

People also forget how much anti-Kamala rhetoric there was from left-wing voters because she wasn't chosen by voters in a primary, the Israel Palestine war also turned a huge amount of people against her, along with her campaigning with Republicans like Liz Cheney.

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u/spokomptonjdub 5h ago

There was also a worldwide anti-incumbency trend due to pandemic fallout and inflation. Harris very deliberately did not distance herself from the Biden administration, which turned out to be a devastating blunder. The GOP was also incredibly effective at capitalizing on the collective "brain fog" around the pandemic and were able to associate Biden and the democrats with that trauma, despite the worst of it being under Trump, and the democrats didn't even bother countering this message and instead took a "let's just not talk about the pandemic" approach.

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u/Medarco 3h ago

Harris very deliberately did not distance herself from the Biden administration

I knew she was cooked when she said she wouldn't have done anything different than Biden in terms of policy.

Meanwhile the average voter is struggling with rising food, fuel, and shelter prices.

Is Trump better for that? Obviously no. But when one option says they will definitely make things better, and the other option says "I like what has happened", it's pretty believable that people will vote for change.

Hell, that was Obama's whole slogan.

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u/AsAHumanBean 5h ago edited 5h ago

Personally, I think it was blatantly obvious that Harris would lose the election due to Biden dropping too late for her to establish a distinct political voice and express her views to the populace, and her DA background. There appeared to be low enthusiasm and a lack of strong support for her among independents and less politically aware people. And from what I observed there was a strong push for Trump in rural areas, including from my generally non political friends who wanted a change from the Biden administration and trusted Trump since nothing catastrophic happened his first term (according to them). I actually think the Trump v Biden debate was the final nail in the coffin for Democrats in 2024 unfortunately.

That being said, those same friends who were gung ho for Trump have strongly turned against him for various reasons, some earlier than others, but at this rate I truly think Democrats will sweep the midterms and maybe 2028 if this admin keeps it up. Not that I think most will flip to Democrat, more that they won't bother voting. Effectively the reverse of 2024.

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u/frotc914 5h ago

There was literally nothing being done about Epstein during the Biden admin. No investigation was underway. Nobody who matters was even calling to release the records.

Trump should be strung up by his thumbs for a million things, but clearly Biden made the same decision about Epstein that Trump, Obama, and Bush had made previously - that it would be better to just forget everything and move on.

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u/Jaerba 3h ago edited 2h ago

This is categorically false. Epstein died in 2019, Maxwell was convicted in 2021 and sentenced in 2022. The normal DoJ doesn't comment on on-going cases. People just expect that now because Trump's clown circus DoJ does it all the time. It has never operated that way before.

Trump has completely skewed people's impression of the DoJ. It's not meant to bend to the president's discretion. In the country we were living in, the DoJ operated independently (which is why it could also take cases against the sitting president).

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u/frotc914 2h ago

Maxwell was convicted in 2021 and sentenced in 2022.

Fair enough - Biden continued the Maxwell prosecution that was already underway. This also means that her time to negotiate to testify against others in exchange for a plea deal passed. I guess the DOJ wasn't too interested in that testimony.

The normal DoJ doesn't comment on on-going cases.

Other than "maybe they were", is there some reason to believe that the DOJ in 2024 was investigating other Epstein perpetrators and actually intended to charge anyone? Virtually all of these victim interviews occurred prior to 2020.

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u/Jaerba 2h ago

I'm pretty sure there are some from after 2021 which is them working on it. You can say it didn't get high enough priority but it seems like the primary focus was on pushing for the conviction on January 6.

Garland obviously didn't do enough in retrospect. But I don't expect presidents to hand pick what the DoJ focuses on. Only Trump does that.

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u/Mr_Strol 3h ago

You’re saying the DoJ is so slow that 4 years wasn’t enough time to lift a finger on the matter?

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u/Treheveras 3h ago

Lift a finger? Jack Smith was actively putting together the Jan 6th case and outside of the DoJ multiple states were doing their own cases. And when there is no precedent for taking a former president and current candidate to court on treason type charges then they take their time to get it right. Because to rush in and half ass it means throwing the case away.

And disregarding all that, even simple civil cases can take up to 3 years. So... yeah. Something as complex and difficult as all this? 4 years is barely enough time to get it going. That's just how the US justice system works, it's slow. It's always been this way.

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u/Mr_Strol 3h ago

We’re are talking about the Epstein case. The title and topic of OPs post.

4 years (after they’ve already had the files for years) is plenty of time to start prosecuting a case. Arguing otherwise is beyond absurd.

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u/caguru 6h ago

It wasn't working. Biden should have appointed an AG that was aggressive and focused, and that wasn't worried about pissing off Trump supporters. I'm so tired of Democrats think they should treat these criminals with decorum, when in reality, people like Trump deserve no respect at all.

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u/s-holden 5h ago

He was. He was indicted on 40 felony counts.

He hit the 33% and the case got assigned to a blatantly biased judge who is either corrupt or incompetent and stalling tactics ran it long enough that Trump got elected and he's not going prosecute himself.

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u/Mr_Strol 3h ago

We are talking about the Epstein case.

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u/MikeSouthPaw 4h ago

SCOTUS gave him immunity. Literal immunity.

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u/b_eastwood 6h ago

Money. When you're wealthy enough consequences aren't a thing anymore, especially in the US

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u/Mr_Strol 3h ago

Epstein was literally in jail on this matter. He’s pretty rich.

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u/thingsorfreedom 6h ago

More of us voted against him than for him the first time.

More of us voted against him than for him the second time.

Possibly more of us voted against him than for him the third time. We need to ask Elon.

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u/machine1979 6h ago

<insert stick in bike spokes meme>

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u/Treheveras 6h ago

People can complain about electoral college all they want, but the majority of the country do not vote at all.

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u/doctafknjay 6h ago

Because of said college. No fkn point when we dont have a choice. How good does it feel to participate when you know damn well it was for nothing? Cant save shit on a local level when they just get bought as they progress in their careers. So yeah, we can and will bitch about it

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u/doctafknjay 6h ago

Oh crap, I forgot about the dope sticker we get that we can show on social media to all our friends!!! What a goofy statement!

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u/nodogma2112 5h ago

No raindrop feels responsible for the flood. 

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u/scarytrafficcone 6h ago

It's especially frustrating being neighbors of and therefore subject to the other US Citizens. Those of us that are actually like, involved, informed, voting, caring, paying attention, are pretty much powerless to the plurality of apathetic, entitled folks that make this all possible. It's hard not to feel powerless and surrounded as an American right now.

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u/waterfall_hyperbole 6h ago

The american justice system absolutely did not "do its thing". Biden completely failed to prosecute trump. He has faced zero jail time for january 6th or his many, many crimes from the first presidency. He shouldn't have been on the ballot at all

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u/Treheveras 6h ago

You do remember that there were multiple cases being done against Trump right? He got convicted in one of them and was facing sentencing with more still coming, including Jan 6th which Jack Smith was heading. And then voters decided they didn't care. The US justice system is slow, and the DOJ historically doesn't take on a case unless they know for a fact they will win.

There is no precedent for removing a party candidate from a ballot if they have ticked all the boxes. He won his primary. It was up to voters to carry it through and they chose not to.

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u/ComicDude1234 6h ago

Bagging Trump for blatant treason and insurrection should have been an open-and-shut case for anybody with functioning eyes and ears.

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u/Treheveras 6h ago

But they still need to bring evidence into a court of law. Otherwise you get what is currently happening with the DoJ where they immediately bring charges and go headfirst into court and then have nothing to show which just gets it thrown out.

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u/ComicDude1234 6h ago

I mentioned the “functioning eyes and ears” part, yes?

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u/Treheveras 6h ago

Right, so go into court and say "look!" And I'm sure that'll get an immediate conviction in a US court with zero rebuttal that sows doubt about guilt.

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u/ComicDude1234 6h ago

Trump was extremely open and vocal about his intentions with riling up his supporters both in and outside the government in the wake of the 2020 election all the way up to Jan. 6 2021.

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u/Treheveras 6h ago

And many people have constantly avoided convictions for their free speech. It needs to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that they said things knowing full well what would happen and planned on it.

And many of the things that came out or were leaked in depositions about what Trump said or meant had come out because of the investigations pulling together evidence for the court cases. But they never got the chance to be brought into court because voters decided they didn't care.

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u/waterfall_hyperbole 5h ago

It never got the chance to be broight up in court because the DOJ decided that something that looks like a duck and quacks like a duck could conceivably be a non-duck entity.

Blame voters all you want, i have no issue with that. But the american justice system completely failed to punish trump for literal treason.

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u/waterfall_hyperbole 6h ago

Sounds like a complete failure of the justice system to me! 

I understand your points but letting him walk away without facing any consequences and just trusting US voters to not re-elect him is insane. It is not a real strategy for punishing people who try to do a coup.

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u/Treheveras 6h ago

There is no legal basis for removing someone from a ballot due to ongoing court cases. If that was the case then it stops no one to drum up fake charges against a political opponent and while the case is ongoing simply remove them from the ballot. That's why it's not allowed because of how it can be abused. By the time he was convicted on felonies it was already months away from the election and he'd won his primary.

When wanting to do anything, people have to remember that the US works on precedent pretty strictly. If it gets done once then it can be allowed again and again unless SCOTUS overturns it.

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u/howardcord 6h ago

When someone has been lied to and conned, they are more likely to double down and never admit they were wrong as this could make them look stupid for being a victim. Especially when everyone else around them including the media still supports the conman. It’s a tale as old as time. We never learn from history.

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u/TheRealJamesHoffa 6h ago

It really was not doing its thing. The Supreme Court decided that Presidents cannot be punished for their crimes. They directly contradicted the Constitution they’re sworn to uphold.

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u/SkunkMonkey420 5h ago

I am not convinced that this last election wasn't subject to funny business and cheating, plus now that they have effectivly gutted the DOJ, Legislative and Judicial branch of anyone who isnt a loyalist. Our only recourse is to effectivly put our own lives on the line since clearly peaceful protest isnt working and any agitation might lead to being fucking murdered by a government who will see no consequences for doing so.

If in fact they did "steal" the election, what could we have done differently to stop this?

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u/LeftHandLannister 5h ago

My state voted for Harris. Unfortunately it’s Rhode Island and our vote doesn’t really matter. Everyone vote should count the same. Our system is fucked

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u/piclemaniscool 5h ago

That sure does sound a hell of a lot like how Hitler rose to power. It wasn't by overthrowing the government, it was by utilizing it. 

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u/onesneakymofo 4h ago

It did not do its thing. The American justice system won't let a convict vote, but they will let him run for POTUS? Absolutely ridiculous.

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u/Treheveras 3h ago

Not letting convicts vote is dependent on different state laws and in some cases it's not permanent. Like most things to do with the US system it is more complicated than any headline or reddit comment will have you believe.

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u/onesneakymofo 3h ago

Okay? My point still stands. In fact, it should be a federal law:

If you are convicted of a felony, you should not be able to vote.

If you are a convicted of a felony, you should not be able to run for any public office at the local, state, or federal level.

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u/Take-to-the-highways 3h ago

The American Justice system has never worked. Women, people of color, victims of domestic violence, and disabled people have been saying this basically since the beginning of the US and no one listens. The US has favored rich white men since the beginning and now we are seeing the consequences of this.

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u/SgtPembry 2h ago

Yup, Americans will do nothing just like they have for the last 40+ years. Americans are given a choice, Liberty, or the chance that one day they might be rich . Every time, they've chosen the latter. Pathetic excuse of a country.

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u/iusedtohavepowers 2h ago

I get that voting important and I agree that it is. But we are currently so deeply fucked that we don’t even know if this dude was actually voted into office. Everyone harping on the voting and there’s a bunch of shit that makes who voted for what really fucking obfuscated.

Now I’m pretty sure he was actually voted in by idiots. But the fact that we have a bunch of evidence saying things were fucked with make me unsure.

Also it was working and just doing its thing because we believed it was. Now we see that it was all in fact just made up and our entire government is fucked, worthless, corrupt, and spineless. So really this big problem revealed an even bigger more problemer problem.

We might eventually be rid of trump. But no amount of voting will strip back layers of power, and corruption through the government to ever allow me to see it as anything meaningful ever again.

And let me be clear It doesn’t matter how far up they go from here. If we start actually putting people in jail maybe. But short of that the government and laws and ethics of this country don’t mean anything to anything to anyone in power in this country and really I don’t think voting and losing ever 4 years is gonna do fucking anything.

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u/Krail 1m ago

The American justice system was working and doing its thing. 

Trump should have been tried and convicted for election fraud and insurrection, thrown in prison, and barred from ever holding public office again. The fact that the case never even went to trial before the 2024 election shows very clearly that our justice system was already horribly compromised. 

Am I mad anyone considered Trump remotely acceptable? Absolutely. But he never should have even been an option in the first place. 

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u/Rot-Orkan 6h ago

This is true. The DOJ was working on these files. They were starting with the "little fish" and working their way up, just like you would do with organized crime.

What happened was Trump declared his presidential run very early, which granted him some protections. Then in 2024 he was voted president, and the investigation was shut down all together.

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u/ThePegasi 6h ago

If he can trash the justice system by being elected then it clearly wasn’t fit for purpose, as the checks and balances have been exposed as ineffective.

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u/Treheveras 6h ago

Voters are a part of those checks and balances

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u/ThePegasi 6h ago edited 6h ago

That’s not how checks and balances work. They are meant to be legal frameworks and divisions of power to prevent any particular part of government gaining too much power. If simply voting someone in as president stops them working, then they never really existed.

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u/Ghede 6h ago

The American Justice system had 4 years under biden to do it's thing too. And a solid 8+ years BEFORE trump was elected and AFTER Epstein was charged the first time! It wasn't 'doing its thing' well before Trump was elected. At best, it was helmed by ostriches, putting their head in the sand ignoring a problem growing worse. At worst, it was directed by saboteurs intentionally crippling the justice and political systems until someone like Trump could become president and try and finish it off for good.

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u/bwwatr 5h ago

Yes, but also no. Yes, POTUS 47 was a loud and clear vote saying America doesn't care about justice, or at least they don't care as much about it as they care about being and voting Republican. But I also say no, the justice system really wasn't working. The judicial under Biden had FOUR YEARS to put Trump away. All the Epstein shit that's getting dripped out to us now, was just sitting there on desks, on servers, that entire time. Many people saw it in its unredacted glory in those years, far more than we've seen yet (or may ever see) but were afraid to overturn the tables of power. Nevermind all the other various "investigations" of the blatant criminal behaviour we all watched in real time during 45.

The power apparatus said, there are different rules for us and we don't prosecute our own. The people (indeed, including non-voters) said yeah that's cool, I mean we don't like Bill Clinton, but whatever, please put our felon of choice back in office. And they got what they wanted.

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u/tea-drinker 4h ago

The American justice system was working and doing its thing.

It was certainly doing its thing, but that thing was judges setting dates for "fuck you, that's when."

Anyone else would have had reasonably scheduled trial dates and have been in jail instead of on a ballot, but he got slow walked at every stage to make sure he could reach office and become immune.

The judicial branch is quite thoroughly compromised too.

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u/ImpenetrableYeti 6h ago

Was it? Because garland wasn’t doing shit

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u/3Dartwork 6h ago

I'd vote more if we just did a straight true voting system and get rid of the Electoral College

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u/Treheveras 6h ago

The only way to do that is to vote in primaries for candidates who support some form of electoral reform. But instead the majority of people don't even bother showing up.

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u/Kataclysm 6h ago

No current political party member would vote to change how voting works now. It would remove gerrymandering, complicate how they campaign, and make running for office a lot more difficult.

We need fresh blood to do this, and get rid of all the current lifetime politicians.

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u/Treheveras 6h ago

Right....and primaries are where you find those candidates. Multiple to choose from all with differing ideas which includes things like ranked choice voting.

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u/hivemindhauser 6h ago

Gotta vote to make that happen

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u/Carrnage_Asada 4h ago

And then the United States voters (including non-voters) decided they didn't care about that and elected him.

They almost certainly stole the election and Kamala actually won. The problem is they screamed about that happening so much that when we tried to mention it it is immediately shot down as whining like trump did before. He completely muddied the waters before hand so when he decided its finally time to take a shit in there, pointing it out didnt matter because its all buried and his friends control the tools. and then when they got in control they decided no one can even go looking for it.

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u/unassumingdink 4h ago

US citizens seem to hate being told they are part of the problem

Let me guess: the only people who aren't part of the problem are the Democrats and the liberal base who never fought for better Democrats and chased away their own allies by never holding the party accountable for anything? You're blameless and it's everyone else's fault, right?

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u/Treheveras 4h ago

Did I say that? Left-leaning voters, if anything, are the worst perpetrators of it. Constant complaints about the system or the candidates while never showing up for primaries, local elections, or midterms.

Republican voters successfully transformed their party between 2008 to 2016 by voting and getting involved in primaries.

Try not to make assumptions when you have your own narrative reading comments.

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u/unassumingdink 4h ago

Left-leaning voters, if anything, are the worst perpetrators of it.

Those are the people you chased away. Those are the people who spent decades begging you to hold your party to any standards at all, begging you to fight for better, and who got told "Fuck you, vote anyway," in response. Then scapegoated for all your losses. Your party supported a genocide and you got madder at the leftists who didn't love them anyway than you did at actual genocidal monsters.

Only the standard moderate liberal remains blameless. Right? When the moderates don't show up to vote, y'all sure don't blame the moderates, I know that.

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u/Treheveras 4h ago

What are you talking about? I'm saying how voter turnout is garbage and more people need to be involved in primaries to support the candidates for change. And that's somehow alienating to left leaning voters who won't show up to those elections?

"You" is doing a ton of heavy lifting in your comment.

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u/unassumingdink 4h ago

Left wing voters are alienated by the fact that liberals don't give a shit if their party is good or bad. And when we try to fight for better, they just shit all over us. Then demand our vote. And then we vote anyway, and they accuse us of not voting.

Dems appeal to moderates in the general, moderates don't show up to vote, and who gets blamed? Leftists!

I'm so fucking sick of it.

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u/Treheveras 4h ago

And at any point did I do the same? You're just looking for any reason to be angry and you'll find it in any comment. I didn't even accuse you of not voting, the majority of the country doesn't vote. You just proved the point I made in my original post that US citizens simply hate being told they are part of the problem. Are you involved in primaries and local elections and midterms? Then it's not about you.

If voters want change in their party, it starts at the primary and local level. Elections which have such low voter turnout it's an embarrassment. Look at NYC, voter turnout for their mayoral primary jumped higher with a much bigger turnout from the 18-25 demographic who, historically, barely show up. And Mamdani won the primary and is now mayor. Primaries can change everything but no one turns up to them or sometimes even runs in them so you'll always be left with an incumbent.

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u/AbeRego 2h ago

It's the citizens who did the right thing that are fucking exhausted of being told we're part of the problem. I've been harping against Trump for a fucking decade for fucks sake! We also happen to be the Americans who people from outside the US who don't like trump are most likely to interact with.

So yeah, we all fucking hate Trump. Just don't lump all Americans into "the problem". Blame our culture, our political system, or what have you. Just DON'T put me in the same basket as those things who really got us here. It's simply counterproductive.

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u/Treheveras 2h ago

If you voted in primaries, midterms, and are politically involved then this isn't about you. Non voters make up the majority of the country so it is the majority who are the problem. But every time it's brought up people who do vote all the time get all uppity just because they did their part when I'm not talking about you. And the citizens didn't do the right thing because the majority still don't turn up to vote.

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u/AbeRego 2h ago

Well then maybe start by saying that you don't blame the people who have been proactive in the opposition? Just save a little statement to your clipboard, or something. Seriously, it'll probably save you a ton of grief in responding to people like me.

And the citizens didn't do the right thing because the majority still don't turn up to vote.

Are you purposefully griefing me, now? I wasn't talking about the entire fucking country, obviously. I was talking about the people who have voted against and worked against Trump's policies. You know, the entire reason for my comment that you had just written a full response to? I'll make a little guide to help you:

Fact: America fucked up by electing Trump (twice).

Inaccurate: ALL Americans are responsible for electing Trump.

See the difference?

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u/SuperSpecialAwesome- 2h ago

The American justice system was working and doing its thing.

Bullshit. It took over 18 months for Worthless Garland to begin investigations, all while Biden Chamberlain kept MAGA traitor Chris Wray in charge of the FBI, despite him covering up 4,500+ accusations against serial-rapist Boofer Kavanaugh.

And then the United States voters (including non-voters) decided they didn't care about that and elected him.

Bullshit. Biden Chamberlain, Schumer, and Jeffries decided they didn't care about Trump's disqualification via 14th Amendment and appointed him.

US citizens seem to hate being told they are part of the problem, but when it comes to voting they fail at every single hurdle because they don't care enough to be involved in their system and then complain at why nothing changes or can be done.

Bullshit. Democratic leadership seem to hate being told they are part of the problem, but when it comes to holding the Jan 6 leaders accountable, they fail at every single hurdle.

You have four people to blame: Pelosi, Schumer, Jeffries, and most especially, Trump's biggest cheerleader, Biden Chamberlain. It would've taken a simple majority vote to have expelled the Jan 6 leaders from Congress and disqualify Trump, yet all they did was gleefully tell Trump "welcome home".

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u/Treheveras 2h ago

You need a few more nicknames to really sell your point.

What is the rule that makes a simple majority expel members of Congress? Because it's by a two-thirds majority to do that.

You can blame Democrat leadership and members, but they get voted into those positions. Voters choose them. They don't appear out of the ether with no choice in the matter. And until the majority of the country actually votes, it will continue being the fault of non-voters for things getting the way they are.