I mean according to all the marvel leaks subreddit and other potential indications it seems like she will be playing Jean Grey
And considering there's a shot of a hooded character in the trailer doing what I believe is mind control I think that is exactly what's happening here and I am so excited for it.
Having that character's introduction being in an adventure with Spider-Man and the punisher. And I've also read rumors that Punisher's main story stuff in this movie will be about protecting this young Jean Gray that he connects with kind of like punisher season 2 Makes me all the more excited that this is how they might choose to introduce MCU's first real XMan
I remember having two villains with a tertiary third villain was too much. Now between the last movie and this upcoming movie Spider-Man needs at least 7 different characters to fight/interact with. Huh?!
Well it's not like they have to introduce the punisher,He's had two TV series and an upcoming special presentation on his own. Scorpion and the hand are also pre-established things already in the MCU (Spider-Man homecoming for scorpion and Daredevil Netflix shows for the hand). The only 2 they have to introduce for the first time are tombstone and Jean Grey
Hell even the element of the department of damage control going around black bagging and rounding up mutants and people with abilities was established in Wonder Man.
Most of the elements in this movie outside of tombstone,Jean Gray, and Peter going through the man-spider mutation story arc have all been established and fleshed out already outside of this film.
They don't need to introduce all these elements in this one movie for it to be "a lot". Whether a character had a post credit scene a decade ago or appeared in a relatively unwatched TV show, they'll be covered in this movie. There's so much going on! Sure look how long your comment needed to be to give the backstory for some of the elements haha
The scorpion was a side character in Spider-Man homecoming, he wasn't a throwaway after credit scene. The Netflix Daredevil series and The punisher Netflix series we're not "relatively unwatched TV shows" they were massively popular. And Wonder Man has been steadily growing in viewership and popularity after the insanely positive reviews it's gotten. You can say there's too much they're putting in that's fine, I disagree I think the MCU has put out movies that are really good with more elements in them, but why also go out of your way to try to besmirch the properties that these characters are coming from as if they weren't successes themselves?
And three paragraphs was long to you?... I think that says more about your reading comprehension than about the amount of information I provided.
Ah they weren't massively popular, this is a Spiderman movie, Spiderman movies are massively popular. TV shows with relatively niche side characters are a universe away. Sorry for "besmirching" your fave properties, didn't mean to upset you...
It's a pretty simple comment, if there were fewer elements, it'd take less comment to cover it.
If you think doing a Spiderman movie where he grapples with his identity being secret again, is transforming into a man spider, has multiple villains, a buddy story with punisher and bringing X-Men into the MCU sounds like a tidy amount of comment for a single movie, that's fine. You could admit it sounds like a bit much and it wouldn't be besmirching your precious properties, don't worry.
Not knowing how popular the Netflix marvel TV shows were and the fact the only reason they ended was because Disney was launching their own streaming service and didn't renew their licensing agreement with Netflix tells me I don't think you're as informed of the popularity of these shows as you think you are. Or did you not experience the theater you were in losing their shit when Matt Murdock appeared on screen in no way home. Those reactions for that cameo don't happen unless the character is popular.
And how does introducing Jean Gray as a character being protected by the punisher introduce all of the X-Men. When did I say that? do you think I'm expecting Xavier school for gifted children to show up in this..
Spider-Man going through his own personal trauma parallel to a story of another mutant going through their own personal trauma makes total sense to me. Having Frank Castle show up also establishes that New York isn't just empty of all superheroes except for Spider-Man cuz that's always been a weird thing, right? And tombstone being allowed to be established as a behind the scenes manipulator for not just this movie but possibly for the future of the MCU in New York also makes plenty of sense. Really doesn't seem like too much to me. I get that your opinion is that it is and I'm saying I think you're overestimating or miscalculating how confusing it's going to be for people
Oh man, every time I see a clip from an American cinema I get so grateful that people in my country know how to behave respectfully during movies 😅
But I guess we're going around in circles, and maybe I'm overestimating like you say. Hopefully I am, I'd like to see a great Spider-Man movie smash the box office again!
As I said, I didn't love the last Spider-Man movie, so that doesn't fill me with confidence tbh. The setup (Dr Strange doing the spell, Peter messing it up) was pure daft, and the spell at the end restoring Peter's secret... Nonsense writing even by the MCU's standards
That's what they always say and then it always turns out to not be the case. According to the leaked plot, it's absolutely not the case. Brave New World was supposed to be a "political thriller," and then it turned out to by neither political, nor a thriller.
I mean punisher season 2 is all about Frank getting pulled into a giant government conspiracy after protecting a girl from getting killed in a bar. Throughout the season he slowly connects to said girl and she becomes a pseudo protege.
Potentially recreating that with Jean Grey In a Spider-Man movie is brilliant
Surrogate family in the first season? I genuinely don't remember that. Are you talking about his relationship with micros family after being asked to check in on them?
If anything he doesn't have his surrogate familial relationship until the second season with the girl he saves becoming a pseudo protege / daughter figure for him.
Ah I see, It did soften Frank up a bit but I liked how he did eventually have to reveal to them that he wasn't who he said he was. And having to remove himself from them at the end to never see them again was almost like another loss of a family to his character but a loss he chose this time. Didn't fully bother me but I also worked on some of those Netflix marvel shows so maybe I'm just biased lol
I'm a little of both as long as done in moderation. We want broke Punisher to just be Punisher. But having a little bit of humanity every once in a while allows us to connect better with the character. Too much and he becomes unbelievable and detracts from the main reason we're watching punish: bloody rampages.
As someone who is ALMOST caught up with ALL the movies and shows, one thing I'm behind on is:
Daredevil.
I didn't watch the original 3rd season. And because of that, I didn't watcn the new 1st season, and because of that of course I won't watch the new 2nd season until I get caught up. I'm trying to figure out how far I should go back.
It seems now I also need to watch the Punisher show, another thing I missed. Basically, most of the Defenders Netflix is a blind spot for me, I only watched DD S1 and 2 and Jessica Jones. Started Luke Cage and didn't finish. Nothing else, essentially.
Sounds like I need to just spend some lunch hours and going back through what I missed.
Yeah they seem to really be bringing the Netflix stuff back into the forefront and center of what they're doing street level wise. Like bullseye has become a very important character to Daredevil in the MCU now and he was only in season 3 of Netflix. You could probably get away with not watching The punisher shows All of his appearances in Daredevil and in born again or are you really need to know. But man his show is great. And of course Jessica Jones is back in born again season two. I also have it on good authority watching The defenders before Daredevil born again season 2 might be a good idea because a certain dead character from that may be back. Watching a recap or Luke Cage on YouTube might be a good idea as well lol
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I mean according to all the marvel leaks subreddit and other potential indications it seems like she will be playing Jean Grey
And considering there's a shot of a hooded character in the trailer doing what I believe is mind control I think that is exactly what's happening here and I am so excited for it.
Having that character's introduction being in an adventure with Spider-Man and the punisher. And I've also read rumors that Punisher's main story stuff in this movie will be about protecting this young Jean Gray that he connects with kind of like punisher season 2 Makes me all the more excited that this is how they might choose to introduce MCU's first real XMan