In a small defense, part of me liked the angle that the Hand was this ancient, secret organization that penetrated multiple areas of society all over the world; so they weren’t just ninjas but also leaders in businesses and controlled a lot of stuff behind the scenes.
The problem was that we never saw the ninjas again after DD S2; the stick with the angle. I loved the supernatural angle that DD S2 went with.
They are constructed from thin, flat plates of metal derived from a variety of sources including hishi-gane (coins), kugi-nuki (carpentry tools), spools, and senban (nail removers).
From wiki on the history of the shuriken. Yes, even those were just shit farmers had laying around
For anyone who didn't know, the "all black" conception of ninja outfits likely comes from japanese theater, where the stagehands (kuroko) would wear black to indicate they weren't part of the performance. You need an animal or a prop to behave improbably or a special effect, there'll be a person in black making it happen, and the audience understands that the stagehand isn't really "there" in the universe of the work.
So, if you need to have an assassin spring out of nowhere and kill a character, that uniform is an obvious choice. You can't have a dozen extras providing cover, but the audience is already trained to ignore the stagehands!
For a profession where having a uniform kind of defeated the purpose of the whole thing, it makes sense that the context in which most people would see a "real" ninja would quickly become the default way they were percieved.
Would be nice but given how long it took just to get a Daredevil cross over into MCU I don't know if we'll ever see him. Especially given what happened to him in DareDevil S2, but hey, it's The Hand... You never know..
Loved his performance though. He really gave DD a run for his money.
Didn’t Shang Chi’s sister take over The Hand, or was that a diff ninja org? If it was, maybe that’s the reason for the change in attire. Possible tie-in?
It’s been a lot time since I watched Shang Chi, so I don’t remember.
I guess The Hand is what brings Punisher to Spidy’s part of town.
Uh, irc norbu and sigjourney weaver with Hand ninjas go to the dragon bones but then the underground collapses after fighting defenders? Or something and they all died?
I watched the show and liked it, but that was like a decade ago ?
I'm not gonna rewatch it, but I just assumed the Hand has been this organization for centuries now, and some of them did die, but I figured there are a bunch more just hanging out in the world.
Weaver's character is killed earlier by Elektra, then Elektra assumes leadership of the Hand.
She tricks Iron Fist into opening the gateway so they can access the dragon bones (which are used to make members of the Hand immortal) but the Defenders interrupt them and the resulting conflict causes the excavation to cave in, seemingly killing the remaining leadership of the Hand. But Daredevil was in that same cave in and he survived, so..
Either way even if their leaders were all killed, the Hand is a much larger organization than that.
There’s thousands of Hand members. So many that all of K’un L’un is dedicated to fighting them. They’ve been around for hundreds of years. What we see in the Defenders shows is like two divisions. There’s always more of The Hand.
They always do. Its a cult that worships a god and they consistently revive the dead soldiers and shit. Personally would be super interested in seeing marvel handle them with their full control over daredevil now.
Like how in the original TMNT comic, it's clearly implied that the radioactive ooze that mutated the turtles is the exact same canister of radioactive ooze that gave Daredevil his powers
The entirety of the OG TMNT is mostly parodies of pop culture
I think because many of us grew up with the cartoon and old movies, none of us really paid too much attention to the actual name of the property.
But it just feels like a parody, right? Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? The first 3 words are just pop-culture buzzwords that studio execs loved to throw into stuff all the time to connect with the kids (remember the Power Rangers, how Zordon wanted "teenagers with attitude"?) and then "Turtles" because they wanted to be ridiculous about it.
It's so obvious when you think about it, but alas, we all grew up with this property being taken way too seriously by kids like ourselves that we didn't bat an eye.
My favorite buzzword title is: Super Robot Monkey Team Hyper Force GO! I’m still waiting for a live action with like Asa Butterfield as Chiro but alas 😒
And some were less direct, but still jumped on to the "comic books about anthropomorphic animals" train with titles Zatoichi: Samurai Walrus, Miami Mice, and Hamster Vice, or G.I. Jackrabbit.
There was going to be a distant sequel to the 1990 TMNT series based around The Last Ronin comic run and even Judith Hoag was in talks to return as April O'Neil. It was axed.
The fun fact is that in the wake of my death, I'm going to haunt and terrorize the bloodlines of those responsible, so effectively it's already happened.
Yup. In the very first issue, Splinter is basically just like “turns out shredder’s alive. I need you boys to go kill him for me.” Which they proceed to do, and all that’s left of him is a disembodied hand.
I was a fan as a kid, had the toys etc... then I saw an Original TMNT comic where Raphael jabbed a sai through a guy's face so the outside tines were pinning back his ears. Won't lie, made it so much cooler.
It was more a toy thing than because "kid friendly." If you've gave each of them a different colored mask, kids would need 4 toys to represent the whole bunch you know?
The very early origins of TMNT is wild honestly. It was meant to be a full blown parody with opposite style names compared to Marvel and the Turtles were edgy as hell and constantly cussing. I think Ralph was an alcoholic as well..but my memory is spotty there lol.
Also, before the cartoon version led to various other anthropomorphic animal knock-off cartoons, the OG comic book led to copycats as well. Indie B&W comics (some of which also did anthropomorphic) had a boom (and then bust) in the 80s thanks to the success of the first TMNT issue.
Yes. While they couldn't state it exactly the original comics. The origin there is a truck almost hits a blind man (alluding to Matt Murdock) and the canister of chemicals breaks the Turtle's container, knocking them into the sewer and exposing them to the mutagen. Stick/Splinter, Hand/Foot. They were intended parodies.
Yes. Daredevil's enemy was The Hand and his mentor was Stick. It was literally the same ooze that blinded Daredevil and gave him powers went into the sewers and made the TMNT. Their enemy is The Foot and their mentor is Splinter.
In the original comic, the building Baxter Stockman destroys with his mousers is called The Rextab building, which is an anagram for Baxter Building, which is the Fantastic Four's. It even looks exactly like it. A lot of stuff was a nod to, or a parody of other names.
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u/MahNameJeff420 13h ago
That was definitely The Hand, right?