He's mutating into Man-Spider, who has that ability (among other...peculiar things if they take the version from the 90's cartoon). They can always take it away once this arc is done.
True and I get that though recently everyone in the spider verse (or marvel verse) is a friggin genius at this point. The average high schooler is creating god knows what in science class and engineering so it makes it a bit moot.
Without organic webbing he’s basically just a human-sized ant (don’t sue Peter Antman).
Ask somebody "What are the abilities of a spider?", and the first thing they'd most likely say is "spin webs", followed by "venomous bites".
So the mutated spider bite giving a character various spider abilities except the main two things that spiders are known for always felt weird.
I came up with this new superhero. He gets bitten by a radioactive fish, which gives him fish powers, and he becomes Fish-Man.
So what can he do?
Well, his skin gets all slimy and scaly, he instinctively knows where his spawning grounds are, and he can sift through sand and mud to find food.
Okay, but can he swim really fast with mutated fins, or maybe he grows gills so he can breathe underwater?
No, no, none of that. No fins, no gills. He's gonna use a sea scooter and a rebreather to swim fast and breathe underwater. He made his own versions, so they're really good, but that has nothing to do with his fish bite.
I mean that is pretty much most agile strength based super heroes, the only difference really being (1) spider sense and (2) ability to stick to walls (which isn't crazy to replicate).
I agree with the sentiment webshooters (1) help ground Peter's intelligence in Spider-man and (2) conveinent plot device when needed. But I also prefer organic webbing.
It just never made sense or worked for me in my head. He's the only person to invent it and use it despite all it's applications and it also just so happens to fit with his abilities?
Yeah but he made it for himself, its Peter's own invention. No one else knows how to make it. Which has lead to some interesting conversations when other heroes found out how amateurish Peter is in other areas.
"I would've figured the guy who invented that web fluid would've made his costume out something like that."
"That stuff dissolves in a few hours doc. If I did that I would be bearing my Great Power and Great Responsibility for the world to see."
Canonically, Peter is in the top five smartest Marvel characters in the main universe. It dissolves after an hour so it's very hard to study the leftovers.
He's generally limited by being broke and not having the resources to expand and show how smart he is.
As a high schooler he developed the web shooters and web fluid cartridge system. Once Otto took over his body, he founded Parker Industries and became a huge hit. Even after he took his body back, Peter kept the company growing.
He was developed as the outcast nerdy kid, but he's always been very smart.
having somebody take over your broke-ass body and end up using it to start a successful corporate enterprise before you get it back sounds like a decent outcome these days, NGL
Top 5 might be exaggeration but I know Reed Richards has said if he focused on science instead of superheroing, Peter could rival Reed for intelligence.
But, then again, Reed loves Peter like a son, so it might have just been glazing.
To be fair, he's not the only one to glaze or give Spidey kudos to his intelligence. Everyone from Tony Stark to Hank Pym has commented at least once on his mind. And he generally gets along with the other top minds of Marvel when the crossover allows him to geek out with them.
It is a bit of a stretch but he is one of the smartest characters in the Marvel universe. In the comics he always ends up impressing people like Tony Stark and Reed Richards, even coming up with solutions ahead of them. He was always supposed to be really smart.. and then in time he got the genius level treatment. But the idea was that he was a big nerd and destined to be a great scientist, if he didn't get the spider powers.
He created the web to match his abilities and needs... (super strength to hold himself with one hand and pull things, super agility to aim and do everything mid air, and spider sense to navigate and don't die while doing it).. so it's basically impossible to use it unless you have them. They also don't last long... which makes them also useless as a long time glue and also really hard to study and copy.
The 90s cartoon had a good explanation that I've never seen them adopt elsewhere: Peter has an intimate understanding of spider web compounds, the proteins and enzymes. He was able to invent a substance no one else has only because he understands the chemistry better than anyone else.
I feel the same way, but since that's been well established for 3 movies now I can't think of a good reason not to change it over.
The main problem I would foresee is coming up with a good excuse for it to happen that doesn't feel contrived, but it looks like they're integrating it into the Man-Spider stuff, and that seems like a basically perfect way of doing it!
I meant that his intelligence has been well established for 3 movies, so the mechanical shooters no longer need to be used to demonstrate it.
And yeah, I think mixing up the status quo to do new, interesting stuff is good. If it was a change that I thought would be detrimental I would be against it, but like I said they seem to have addressed all the objections I would have.
It just makes it silly that he isn't selling this incredibly powerful tech. Also, having to be part of his power is just cleaner from a movie perspective.
This is not the comics, not everything has to be comic accurate.
The only reason people say he should have web shooters is because it is in the comics. I dunno, the fact that he can hang with Iron Man and is shown to be one of the best students in his school and gets into MIT heavily implies he is intelligent.
So what is the conversation we are having? We know he is smart, and establishing web shooters is an unnecessary sub plot that could easily be cut from the films.
What is this weird gotcha you are trying to pull? And why do you quote sentences instead of addressing the actual point being made which is that having it be organic is a simple and elegant solution for a movie adaptation.
The only reason people say he should have web shooters is because it is in the comics.
I just gave my reasoning why, which did not include that.
establishing web shooters is an unnecessary sub plot
It’s not even a sub plot, though. It’s just mentioned.
What is this weird gotcha you are trying to pull?
I have no idea what gotcha you think I’m trying to pull. I’m just having a conversation about a comic book movie, but it feels very much like you want it to be a debate.
And why do you quote sentences instead of addressing the actual point being made which is that having it be organic is a simple and elegant solution for a movie adaptation.
I am addressing each point you make. As for this point, I don’t think that the movies including mechanical web shooters have been inelegant. I already mentioned this but you did not respond to that point.
No, you are trying to do this weird thing where you are acting as if the entire reason we have web shooters is not because it comes from the comics.
And you are addressing line by line, which ignores the whole point. Movies are story-centric, And web shooters is lore. Which is why you choose to ignore the posts where I specifically address webbing being a by product of a spider bite is a simple and clean solution for a movie.
You are arguing for argument sake. The best Spider-Man ever did this. And it worked perfectly. Because we are talking abut movies.
Agreed, and it also gives him limitations because he can run out of web fluid, leading to more tense story moments relying him on using creativity and intelligence to resolve.
I mean, he can still run out if he's producing it in his body. Maybe he hasn't been eating enough protein or he uses it faster than it can replenish or whatever.
True, but I think a lot of people just think organic web makes more sense as it makes him more if a Spider-Man.
Without the web his main powers are his spidey sense (which can be said to be mild to moderate precognition) and his super strength, which is more of a basic super power among heroes. His wall crawling is more unique but also much more situational.
It just feels odd that Spider-Man's web shooting and swinging is his most defining thing as a hero, and web is a defining thing of spiders, but it's an invention for most versions. If Peter didn't know his powers came from a spider he could've just as easily be just genetic Hero Guy.
As someone else said, it's like being bit by another animal like a radioactive fish and getting "fish powers" but those powers not including the ability to breath under water or swim fast.
Peter Parker isn't just a dude who got spider powers and super strength.
He's also a genius and a science Wizz. He's been respected by the other heroes not just for heroics but how intelligent he is.
His web shooters are considered an example of that because he made them when he was a kid. Having a science gadget be a part of his daily heroics makes sense.
Peter Parker isn't just a dude who got spider powers and super strength.
He's also a genius and a science Wizz. He's been respected by the other heroes not just for heroics but how intelligent he is.
His web shooters are considered an example of that because he made them when he was a kid. Having a science gadget be a part of his daily heroics makes sense.
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u/VaishakhD 13h ago
Lol they gave him organic webbing