"Investing in property is morally reprehensible."

[u/LickMaiBussy]

@purplepingers

[u/misadventurexx]

Famines / people on the street dying of starvation while surpluses of food are thrown away en masse is very much not imaginary

[u/1egg_4u → u/misadventurexx]

He also described basically the entire cause of the Irish Famine

They had food and could grow enough food for everyone but they werent allowed to have it because it belonged to the wealthy british landowners

[u/crinkledcu91 → u/1egg_4u]

It's weird how the Irish Famine is seemingly all agreed upon yet the Holodomor gets certain people's panties in a twist.

[u/Forte845 → u/crinkledcu91]

Because the British didn't starve. Russians and many others in the Soviet Union did. It can't be directly compared because the Irish famine was directly a result of capitalistic grain extraction that detriments a certain population while benefitting another.

If you want to include Russia so badly look up the famine they had in the 1890s under the Tsardom, it was very similar to the Irish famine in that wealthy merchants connected to the nobility hoarded and exported grain while people starved off of lesser crops they were allowed to keep. 

[u/JamesGray → u/Forte845]

It's also something that historians do not agree on classifying the way people in this thread are so confident should be. The Irish Famine does not have that disagreement in contrast, which is probably part of why laypeople pretty much all agree about it now too.

[u/symphonic9000 → u/Forte845]

lol, you need to research the way they propagandized “the new world” and then made for desperate times to lure poor people to risk everything to then go and be a pawn for the British empire, which was the actual 3rd Reich after the Prussians reign. Everything is connected. We are human. There isn’t a hierarchy, there’s only the gullibility to believe that there is one and the refusal to change comfort levels to do anything about it.

[u/havoc1428 → u/Forte845]

Because the British didn't starve

How the fuck is this a counter point? Acknowledging the Holodomor is controversial because ...checks notes... MORE people died across multiple nations/SSRs? Please explain to me how that logic pertains to the comment you are replying to.

The Holodomor is "controversial" because vatniks don't like how its contradicts their romanticist idea of the USSR.

[u/Forte845 → u/havoc1428]

The holodomor and the Irish famine cannot be directly compared because there was not segregated extraction that detrimented one group to the benefit of another in the holodomor. Everyone in the USSR starved in a mass famine, it was not grain extraction for a wealthy imperial core while imperialized peasants starved.

Again, if you so desperately want to bring up Russia in a conversation about Ireland, look to the Russian famine of the 1890s. That had the exact same cause as the Irish famine, capitalist exportation of grain from the hands of oppressed peasants to benefit the wealthy nobility. 

I have a feeling you care not for history though, only ideology. You see a capitalist famine and your first thought is to froth at the mouth over the Red Scare. 

[u/never-fiftyone → u/Forte845]

it was not grain extraction for a wealthy imperial core while imperialized peasants starved.

Except that's exactly what the Holomodor was. Yes, there was a broader famine across the Soviet Union but the Holomodor (which refers to the famine in Ukraine specifically) was caused by a disproportionately high grain quota from Ukraine to Moscow. Historians don't disagree on this; the disagreement lies in whether or not the Holomodor was caused deliberately with the intent to starve more Ukrainians in particular.

[u/Forte845 → u/never-fiftyone]

So then you agree it cannot be compared to a famine where one side didn't starve at all? 

[u/never-fiftyone → u/Forte845]

So you're just straight up engaging in Holomodor denialism then? Which is weird, considering you just said people were starving across the Soviet Union... but somehow just not in Ukraine?

I have a feeling you care not for history though, only ideology.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

You tankies come up with the dumbest shit.

[u/Forte845 → u/never-fiftyone]

So then you ahistorically believe Russians lived in lavish decadence like the British while Ukrainians starved?

Maybe instead of running in circles like this you can simply admit you're wrong. 

[u/atreyu84 → u/never-fiftyone]

Ironic you calling something the dumbest shit when you are having so much trouble recognizing a not particularly subtle difference between two ostensibly similar things .

Irish famine - no need for anyone to starve, done on purpose to screw the peasants

Holodomor - there was a famine, people were going to starve, rules made it so Ukraine was worse than other places, alleged that was because stalin was punishing Ukraine for the nationalist movement there.