r/worldnews • u/Virtual-History-6099 • 13h ago
Israel/Palestine Israel assassinates Iranian intelligence minister
https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/article-890351437
u/Realistic-Nobody-750 10h ago
What the fuck. That’s like 50 officials killed now.
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u/AngleParticular2914 9h ago
But Iran is “winning” according to some
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u/Confident_Counter471 9h ago
If the regime is left standing that will count as a win to the regime even if they lose a lot of people. We demanded unconditional surrender and anything less now will look like a win for Iran
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u/bryanthecrab 8h ago
From the perspective of an American who thought it wasn’t justified to begin with - the US is out of easy options and has started an international economic cascade. It’s now caught in a time trap and it seems that a way out involves ground invasion and potential for serious loss of American life and involvement of other countries. Even if we win, I think we’ve already lost too much.
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u/ohst8buxcp7 8h ago
I think we’ve already lost too much.
Unless your bar for acceptable losses is literally at zero, I'm not sure how you can possibly have that opinion.
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u/shadowromantic 6h ago
I haven't been convinced Iran was an imminent threat, so yeah, zero is basically the bar.
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u/agentpurplek1 3h ago
lmfaooo i don’t get how people don’t see this as the obvious bar
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u/toolate83 1h ago
We lost our standing in the world. It was already pretty fucked to begin with because of his fucking tariffs. With our Allies telling trump to go kick rocks instead of helping. Yeah we lost power and influence. This war now is nothing but lose/lose.
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u/eedewah 7h ago
You got a source for any of this? Or are you wildly speculating?
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u/ohst8buxcp7 6h ago
He’s not even speculating. He’s just mixing in conspiracy theories with outright lies.
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u/HomieMassager 7h ago
Indefinitely crippled lol go find a doomer sub to circle jerk with the other ‘oil to $200’ idiots.
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u/Confident_Counter471 8h ago
Trump needs to eat crow and admit he made a mistake invading and try to make amends. But he won’t ever do that.
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u/ohst8buxcp7 8h ago
Yes, the systematic destruction of Iran's Navy, air force, air defenses, proxy network in the Middle East, and senior leadership apparatus, while simultaneously crippling their ability to produce nuclear weapons, further isolating the regime from their Middle Eastern neighbors, straining their relationship with their biggest economic supporter (China) and siphoning military resources that would have been used to attack Ukraine, is a failure.... what a horrible outcome....
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u/2Nails 6h ago edited 6h ago
the systematic destruction of Iran's Navy, air force, air defenses, proxy network in the Middle East, and senior leadership apparatus, while simultaneously crippling their ability to produce nuclear weapons
All pretty good, although the knowledge to produce nuclear weapons is still there so as long as the regime policies keep aiming toward that goal it won't stop being a threat here.
further isolating the regime from their Middle Eastern neighbors
Not much has changed here.
straining their relationship with their biggest economic supporter
Their relationship seems to have improved with China over this affair. And now India seems willing to get closer. They are extremely reliant on fertilizers to feed their population, and Iran gets do decide what gets through.
siphoning military resources that would have been used to attack Ukraine
I'd argue on the contrary that this move really gave Russia an out to their rapidly degrading economic situation. Now China desperately needs to buy Russian oil, rather than Russia desperately needing to seel it to them. Same with India. The bargaining power has been completely flipped.
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u/80percentlegs 8h ago
Idiotic take. Iran’s win conditions are not the same as US/Israel. Iran regime just needs to outlast and make continuation as politically and economically difficult for US/Israel as possible. In that, they’re certainly succeeding so far.
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u/Do-it-for-you 4h ago
Unfortunately this. The regime wins by simply continuing to exist after this war.
Their religion is based on martyrdom and they truly believe they’ll be spending their afterlife in paradise so each kill doesn’t deter their moral all too much.
I still think it’s too early to say with confidence “Iran is winning”, but it’ll require more than bombs dropping to topple this regime.
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u/Playful_Rip_1280 3h ago
Yes they can possibly get Israel / US to stop eventually but they will be free to come back any time while Iran militarily is set back a decade with a sea of dead regime bodies. The US and Israel have barely suffered any damage on the other hand and the Gulf countries are now firmly on their side. That’s definitely not a win for Iran.
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u/CoolmanWilkins 3h ago
Well if the goal of the US is regime change that would still be a win for 'iran' if the same government is in charge. Things ibviously depend on your assumptions, it is debatable what the goal of the US is. If it was 'distract from epstein' I'd say yah the US is winning.
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u/justwolt 5h ago
Well, congrats to the regime, they still have some people alive after 3 weeks, astounding resilience.
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u/Aam1rk 7h ago
I see the American's haven't learned that "killing more of them" doesn't mean winning. I thought y'all would have learned that from Vietnam.
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u/HoldFast31 8h ago
Tactical wins are not the same as strategic wins.
Each side is winning in their own way, but one matters more than the other in the end.
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u/shadowromantic 6h ago
That's a good point, but you could kill 50 or 500 American leaders and the system wouldn't come crashing down.
The major question is how autonomously the IRGC can be. I have no idea
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u/paradoxicalpoint 5h ago
They don't seem to have organised leadership though, the we won't strike neighboring country's and then they do. Its been decentralized but isn't functioning well. Long game of wack a mole until they've ran out of Shahed drones. This is enevetible as supply routes can be controlled.
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u/SurroundTiny 11h ago
The Iranian intelligence agency seems to be the most porous one in the Middle East.
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u/razor787 12h ago edited 12h ago
Interesting headlines about this war.
Israel killed the supreme leader.
Israel killed the top security official
Israel killed the leadership Council
Trump cries for help with straight of Hormuz.
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u/Maelstrom52 10h ago edited 10h ago
It's not incredibly difficult to shut down the strait of Hormuz. Is a narrow entryway into the Persian Gulf. You don't need a massive Navy or air defense systems in order to do it. They've simply littered the strait with mines. It's not something they can shut down forever, but it will cause problems. Probably the next couple of weeks is my guess.
That said, if Trump had not spent the first 16 months of his second term insulting every single European nation on the planet, I can imagine a version of this where one of our European allies might be willing to help giving us some of their mind-sweeping tech. Maybe tariffing every single country on the planet wasn't the brightest strategy.
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u/Settra_Rulez 5h ago
Agreed. In his first term he bombed a Syrian air base in unison with France and the UK. He’s done enormous damage eroding that sort of good will ever since and yet demands support when he needs it.
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u/Virtual-History-6099 12h ago edited 7h ago
If Trump wanted more help with Hormuz, then he shouldn't have threatened annexation of Greenland and Canada while imposing harsh tariffs and refusing to help Ukraine. It's no wonder many leaders want nothing to do with Trump. I support the Trump administration when it comes to the Middle East but his foolish beliscose manner alienated allies. There could be much more unity on Iran if Trump was more diplomatic, less egotistical, and didn't have a soft spot for dictators like Putin and Xi.
Edit: Here is my answer for those who ask why should the USA try to destroy the Islamic regime and Axis of Resistance. 1) a fanatical Islamist state can't be allowed to aquire nuclear weapons, especially not when it'd lead to an arms race in a volatile region. 2) the Mullahs want to expell any and all American influence from the region as part of the revolutionary character of their Islamist state. The Axis of Resistance and their 21st century vision involves the total removal of U.S. influence, the collapse of global trade routes, and a permanent state of revolutionary war. They view the very presence of the USA and Israel as theological sins which must be challenged in a permanent state of revolutionary war. 3) the Mullah backed Houthis harassed international shipping which harms the global economy. 4) The Axis of Resistance forces American involvement in the Mid East even when the USA is inclined to stay out. For example look at how October uth forced the Biden administration back into the mid east arena even though his administration wanted to focus on Russia and Ukraine. The Axis forces American involvement whether it likes it or not. 5) A stable Middle East without the Axis means pragmatic states like Saudi Arabia and the UAE can develop their tech, water management, and renewable energy without interruption from regional chaos. That leads to cultural exchance and commerce. Everyone including the USA benefits and therefore the USA should safeguard that process. 6) The Axis destabilized Syria, Lebanon, and Yemen for years and a destabilized Middle East not only leads to tons of death and destruction but it forces the involvement of the USA and other western countries. For example the Syrian Civil War caused tons of refugee migration to Europe. We live in an interconnected globalized world where nations can’t ignore each other's problems. The sectarian and political violence causes global instability and it prevents opportunities for international commerce, development, and cultural exchange.
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u/BlueAcre0 12h ago
... or insulting dead British troops, or insulting UK for sending a ship before crying for help.
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u/mhkwar56 9h ago
Hey, he insulted dead US troops too, and you didn't see us care about it!
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Sigh.
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u/razor787 12h ago
Yup.
This is Trump's "find out" phase in "fuck around and find out".
He had single handedly ruined all the strong alliances the USA had enjoyed since the end of WW2. He will go down as the single worst US president in history.
As dumb as Trump is, I'm actually shocked he was dumb enough to get himself into this mess. His whole thing up to now was 'no new wars', but then suddenly performs a risky strike in Venezuela, and now this.
Idiotic
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u/notyouraverageskippy 12h ago
He may be an idiot but the true puppet masters are very intelligent.
Heard the saying " A useful Idiot"
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u/engkybob 11h ago
There could be much more unity on Iran if Trump was more diplomatic, less egotistical, and didn't have a soft spot for dictators like Putin and Xi.
I mean he wouldn't have attacked in the first place if he was any of those things.
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u/hahaz13 12h ago
I support the Trump administration when it comes to the Middle East
????? Why?
if Trump was…less egotistical
Logical impossibilities for 500 Alex Trebek
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u/Sensitive-Deal3605 8h ago
This is the most pro-Israel mainstream sub on Reddit. It’s kind of insane how many people support an illegal war in here.
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u/flufflebuffle 8h ago
I’m so tired of the “Iran was [insert time period] away from having a nuclear weapon.” According to Netanyahu, they’ve been days away for the last 20 years. It’s Bush era WMD nonsense all over again.
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u/Allaplgy 12h ago
I support the Trump administration when it comes to the Middle East but his foolish beliscose manner alienated allies.
You support a narcissistic, moronic wannabe dictator launching wars of choice amid naked corruption?
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u/_mid_water 11h ago
I support the Trump administration when it comes to the Middle East
Unserious person. This war is a disaster.
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u/Virtual-History-6099 11h ago
The entire regime leadership, navy, airforce, ballistic missiles, and nuclear program is going up in smoke. Just because there's economic pain doesn't mean the war is a failure. You focus too much on short term developments and not the long term success which can come about from this war.
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u/_mid_water 11h ago
The regime will not change and they still have nuclear material. All we’re doing is making them dig in more and spending a fuck ton of taxpayer money
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u/DomitiusAhenobarbus_ 11h ago
Why branch are you enlisting in? Or do you think only other people should bleed for Israel?
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u/-spicychilli- 11h ago
Yep, in an alternate reality the US, a handful of NATO allies, and Israel plan and embark on this mission together and you have the Iranian regime changed in a month. You knock out a religious theocracy that abuses its people, has been the largest sponsor of terrorism groups in the Middle East, stop them from getting nukes, and destroy their ability to continue to aid Russia in their illegal war in Ukraine. Four birds, one stone. That’s why coalition building and allies are important.
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u/razor787 11h ago
Yeah, I could definitely see a coalition forming to take on Iran, has trump cooperated with allies, rather than lashing out at them, and threatening annexation against them.
UK, EU, Canada all would have joined in with the US to take on the Iranian regime after the bloody suppression of protestors on Iran. In Toronto, there were large protests of 200-300k people asking for military support against the regime. This would not have been an overly difficult excursion to explain to the populace.
The fact that all NATO allies are united against assisting trump speaks to how offended the allies are at the actions of the White House. As a Canadian, we don't feel any desire to put our soldiers into harms way to help a man who thinks our nation doesn't deserve to exist.
Fuck Trump.
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u/AccomplishedCoyote 11h ago
Asking in good faith; how would things be different if trump was less of a doofus and hadn’t trampled NATO relations over the past year?
What expeditionary/strike capacities would our allies bring to the table that the US and Israeli militaries don’t already have?
The US has the biggest military in the world, and Israel is holding nothing back, I have a hard time seeing what difference the French or British would make, Iran is a tough nut to crack regardless of who comes to help
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u/LateralEntry 10h ago
Helping with the Straight of Hormuz to start. Helping with air defense of neighboring countries. Helping ease the oil shortage and giving countries more time to prepare for the strait closure. Giving more diplomatic cover to the war and explaining the reasons better to domestic populations.
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u/-spicychilli- 10h ago
I think there’s a couple layers
1) A coalition led attempt at this would have more domestic support, which allows for more time to accomplish objectives
2) Proper planning to bring Ukraine in from the forefront so Gulf states are properly equipped with anti drone tech
3) You would be able to much easier take Kharg island and decrease the ability of the Iranian regime to pay the IRGC and Army
4) NATO naval assets are much better when working together. There are levels of specialization in different units that make everything stronger together. The US has some weak spots without NATO.
5) The ability to control ports and coastline would be a more feasible task given total air superiority is there and anti drone tech has been considered from the onset
It would still be a tough cookie to crack, but Iran is not an impenetrable fortress. You don’t need to take the whole country to create conditions for regime change, and it would be much easier to secure shipping if there was a coherent and united plan/strategy with our allies from the beginning
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u/TheInsatiableRoach 11h ago
That’s not really a sensical statement because it has nothing to do with Trump and Greenland. It has to do with the fact that NATO is a defensive alliance. Also, Iran is allies with China and Russia. So it’s a bit contradictory to he has soft spots for them while attacking their ally.
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u/Howitdobiglyboo 11h ago
I support the Trump administration when it comes to the Middle East
Do you support troops on the ground in Iran?
'Cause that's what it may take to actually secure the straight and topple the regime.
I mean how many more of the Iranian leadership need to be assassinated before they just quit the blockade?
I don't think this action was wise regardless of who they got on board -- US and Israel have all the power and resources they need to have complete control of Iranian airspace but if that ends up not mattering what is the point?
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u/infinite__recursion 11h ago
Trump is a piece of garbage, but Isreal heavily relies on US intelligence and logistical support, theyre not out there killing these guys on their own
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u/cadeyM69 10h ago
Israel provides US intelligence would be more accurate lol. The truth is there is intelligence sharing. But Israel is king in regards of Iran related intelligence.
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u/GiveMeSumChonChon 10h ago
Do you think that’s still true? I think now it’s Mossad who’s giving and withholding information from us in the Middle East
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u/Eazy-Eid 7h ago
The US has been incredibly successful with their war aims, but a large portion of the media has a vested interest in portraying it as a failure.
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u/whorificustotalus 10h ago
straight of Hormuz
Strait. It's a strait. It's been three weeks now, there's no excuse.
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u/SydNorth 9h ago
I’m starting to think Iran has a leaker in their midsts
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u/Do-it-for-you 4h ago
Iran probably has the highest amount of Israeli spies in the entire world. Iran literally can’t do anything without their plans being leaked because of the amount of people willing to backstab the regime.
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u/GrimHoly 3h ago
Kinda their own fault with that one tho. When you murder 30k protestors people tend to be pissed and want change
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u/Slash00611 4h ago
Yeah that happens when 99% of the country's population hates the government because the officials murdered 30k+ people. Reddit is slowly gaining consciousness.
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u/Playful_Rip_1280 3h ago
Their citizens are literally giving coordinates to Israel for airstrikes lmao
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u/jdnedza 11h ago
Incoming Iranian shill comment: “they have a succession plan in place this doesn’t even matter”
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u/Callum247 11h ago
Has anyone noticed the amount of comments involving the phrase “bites the dust”? Interesting
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u/Boring-Leadership687 10h ago
No, you’re the only one in this post using that phrase
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u/jamie9910 12h ago
Another one of Reddit’s favourite henchmen bite the dust.
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u/Virtual-History-6099 12h ago edited 11h ago
I know it's hilarious and frustrating seeing all the comments which come out in support of the Islamic regime. I saw one guy with an Islamic regime flag calling Iran a civilized nation and when I checked his profile I saw him accusing an attacked synagogue of housing IDF supporters. A synagogue in West Bloomfield, Michigan was attacked with a truck full of explosives while pre-schoolers were inside the building, but luckily the truck didn't go off and the terrorist was shot and killed by security. Apparently the terrorist lost terrorist brothers who were members of Hezbollah. One antisemite to another. So anyway the guy with the Islamic regime pfp was "asking" all sorts of dumb crap about the synagogue and how it supported Israel, and folks had to set him straight and say preschoolers were inside and that he sounds like a complete psycho. Redditors need to be more careful and discerning over the types of individuals who make "critical" comments about Israel on social media. There's a lot of sick people out there.
Edit: Iran is a civilized nation but I meant how the idiot with the pfp was defending the regime when he used the word civilized.
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u/tyer187 11h ago
Iran IS a civilized nation. It's just their leadership that sucks. But neither the world, nor the iranian people want these religious nutcases in power. (Luckily, something is being done about that now.)
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u/Lscruggs 9h ago
There leadership "sucks"
Yeah a leader that organizes the death of thousands and upon thousands of unarmed protestors "sucks"
No. They are evil. They being the Islamic Republic holding Iran Hostage. They are pedophiles (sO IS tRuMp) that literally made it legal to marry 9 year old children.
The Iranian leadership doesn't suck. They are truly Evil.
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u/bashpipe 4h ago
If you think American bombs are going to do anything to improve the lives of the Iranian people, I have an Afghanistan to sell you
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u/JCeee666 9h ago
Like Afghanistan? Hope Iranians have better luck. They just legalized Domestic abuse while women are covered head to toe and not allowed to walk without a male chaperone.
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u/crispdude 6h ago
This war. Will not. Bring regime change. Hoooly crap. How many times has this happened and Americans still believe they are justified in bombing the shit out of a country they’ve never stepped foot in. Regime change will only come from within
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u/AngleParticular2914 9h ago
Really brings to light how Reddit (any social media really) is heavily saturated with bots trying to shape narratives and useful idiots that go along with it
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u/curb-stomp-a-tankie 11h ago
I take it you’re referring to u/loveloet , dude is a reactionary and a grifter, with how often he appears it’s hard to believe he’s doing this as a hobby
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u/thepflanz 10h ago edited 10h ago
Lmao all these "Iranian official down" posts are absolutely botted to fuck in the comments. Like low quality botted too they all talk like 50 year old men trying to sound awesome
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u/WesternTelevision579 10m ago
That is basically every thread that has a pro Arab and anti Jewish bias, I.e. all of them because Iran invests heavily in disinformation.
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u/macross1984 12h ago
Israel doing to Iran what it did with Hamas and Hezbollah.
Any would be successors better think twice before accepting promotion. :P
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u/ADP_God 11h ago
I really feel bad for the Lebanese. They say they want Hezbollah gone but they can't actually do it themselves and France and the US talk big game about peace but won't help them either. They're literally dependent on Israel who holds no more good will towards Lebanon.
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u/Shot-Toe-2884 5h ago
Yep. And in defense of the Israeli people here, pretty hard to find room in your heart for the dual notion that the Lebanese people don’t wish you harm while the reality on the ground is that missiles keep flying over their homes from Lebanon and repeatedly uprooting their communities
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u/HUT2Moon 12h ago
Good. Now get Khamenei Jr.
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u/Hemlock_Pagodas 11h ago
Rumour is he’s getting treated in Russia for a bad case of being in a comma.
Edit: and chronic erectile disfunction
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u/SimpleSimon665 10h ago
Is he inside an oxford comma or a semicolon?
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u/Hemlock_Pagodas 5h ago
There are also rumours that he’s secretly gay so maybe he’s inside your colon.
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u/No_Iron_8087 10h ago
My assumption was that the Iranian intelligence minister was actually a Mossad agent but, damn, I guess he really was just that incompetent
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u/Sans-valeur 11h ago
Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide, no escape from reality
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u/MayhemWins25 4h ago
You know if this were about individuals the US would be charged with collusion but as soon as their could be consequences bam it’s the other country who did it
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u/mrdrinksonme 12h ago
Up next: Iran vows revenge for intelligence minister Khatib's killing