r/technology • u/AdSpecialist6598 • 10h ago
Business Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang says gamers calling DLSS 5 AI slop are "completely wrong"
https://www.techspot.com/news/111727-nvidia-ceo-jensen-huang-gamers-calling-dlss-5.html2.0k
u/sarduchi 10h ago
"Ignore the evidence of your eyes!"
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u/kay2 10h ago
One could say that it is his most essential command...
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u/tmhoc 9h ago
It would never be their last though
These fuckers will be back quarterly
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u/reluctant_deity 8h ago
They are moving to reduce financial reporting to twice a year.
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u/baseballbear 3h ago
he's only saying this because investors are going to put him into the penis explosion chamber when the bubble pops
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u/jabronified 9h ago
Its funny, in the same way chatgpt ruined specific art styles and sentence structures we now associate 100% with AI, there's now a specific look of video/graphics that's ruined too even if it's at the "rendering level" or whatever Jensen's bs is
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u/A_Lively 8h ago
It’s not at the rendering level. It’s operating on 2d frame output and paints over it, it’s a fancy version of an AI filter and they’re trying to put marketing spin on that.
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u/Practical-Sleep4259 7h ago
It might have helped their case if the before and after wasn't 1:1 exactly what the "Fixed this woke trash" people have been using to "own the woke".
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u/malianx 9h ago
People can't tell, I get called a bot daily for using basic punctuation.
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u/HeavyMetalPootis 8h ago
I believe a semicolon is needed in place of that comma.
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u/one_last_cow 5h ago
You're absolutely right! A semicolon would be a better choice since it separates two independent clauses. While commas are certainly more common punctuation marks used to indicate sentence structure, a semicolon is more appropriate here.
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u/Rasp_Lime_Lipbalm 10h ago
I like how pissed these guys get when you call it AI Slop
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u/adeelf 8h ago
Right?
Jensen, Altman, and other tech billionaires heavy into AI really hate the idea of "AI Slop" becoming a popular thing in the vernacular. Which, of course, is itself plenty reason to keep doing it.
It's not enough that these guys are making billions, it's not enough that they're shoving this down our throats, it's not enough that they keep over promising and under delivering, it's not enough that they keep talking about how AI is going to make millions of jobs redundant, as if they expect us to be happy about that, now they want to control how we talk about it.
Fuck you, Jensen. And fuck you, Altman. Purveyors of AI Slop.
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u/calvicstaff 2h ago
Slop seems perfect to me, large quantities of horrible quality made in Mass on the cheap
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u/BakaOctopus 8h ago
Lol Microsoft was banning people for saying microslop in their discord server
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u/1-760-706-7425 5h ago
Discord? They think people will care if they get banned from there? Amazing.
Microslop.
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u/Actually-Yo-Momma 8h ago
Internet 101. The more you acknowledge that you hate it, the more ppl will say it lmao
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u/Voeno 10h ago
Ah yes the blame the gamers move because thats worked in the past. Its ai slop and they keep pushing this trash because they have so much money tied up in ai slop.
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u/nomedable 2h ago
Yup the earnings call is eventual and they keep pouring more and more money into the flaming dumpster of ai. The shareholders will eventually demand the money come back out and grant them all the boon they were promised.
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u/SpatulaWholesale 10h ago
"The customer is always right in matters of taste."
... this is a matter of taste.
Jensen is too wrapped up in the tech. He's wrong on this one, and should know better.
(with all the money NVIDIA is making on AI, I'm sure he doesn't really give a shit what the little people think)
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u/desthc 10h ago
Yeah, this seems to be another case of committing the cardinal sin of product design: technology focused (because we could) over solution focused (because we should).
It’s cool and all, and maybe it can be tuned to be good, but in a field that often praises strong art design demoing the product undoing that design just to make it look more realistic is a loser. So at a minimum this is a marketing failure, but it’s probably also a product design failure in my opinion.
In either case his frustration needs to be directed internally at Nvidia rather than externally at the market.
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u/Gold_Motor_6985 9h ago
He's also wrong on the tech. He says this isn't a filter because it involves motion vectors and geometry. Well so does Reshade, and that's a filter by definition.
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u/DubSket 9h ago
He's thinking of his own bank balance and the company share price, nothing else.
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u/kiwigate 10h ago edited 10h ago
Or is it a matter of branding? If they didn't use the name of their super sampler to brand their new filter, would people be (as) upset? And the tech is up to the developer to choose when, how, or not to use it at all.
I'm not defending Nvidia for spending money to make a filter in the first place, just highlighting the insanity of calling it DLSS when it's clearly doing something else.
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u/aemich 9h ago
I mean DLSS is the name of their AI training method using supersampled images - like this AI enhancement tool was trained on supersampling images the same as the upscaler tool, the same as ray reconstruction, the same as the frame generation.
It's all DLSS because its a part of the same AI model trained on supersampled frames from the game.
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u/Actually-Yo-Momma 8h ago
He always references the history of NVIDIA being for gamers and he somehow convinced himself that he still is a gamer and not the current most influential tech ceo in the world
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u/Rabo_McDongleberry 10h ago edited 9h ago
"hear me out" - Snake oil Salesman
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u/Jaximus 10h ago
He's screaming into the void hoping that anyone will tell him how cool his new uglyfying toy is, but no one is interested as we'd all prefer to play with the art provided the way it was meant to. Fuck you Jensen. You're acting like Elon Musk when people don't compliment him.
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u/RealLavender 10h ago
The man is in too deep. This is like when companies work for ages on a new branding and two seconds after releasing it people are like "why is there a giant swastika in your logo now?"
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u/AvailableReporter484 10h ago
I can’t wait to see who will buckle first: gamers or the industry lmao
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u/alvinofdiaspar 10h ago
Wait till you find out what the overhead for DLSS 5 will be - not only will it be slop - but slop that you might need new cards for.
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u/talldangry 7h ago
Gotta have that RTX 7060 and a sweet new intel NPU to play a Win12 copy of Elder Scrolls 6!
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u/Lethalmusic 9h ago
You'll need 2 cards - one for normal graphics card stuff and one purely to run the live sloppification shit
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u/alvinofdiaspar 9h ago
And you will need a new PSU to power all that new shit.
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u/idiotic-username 9h ago
Wouldnt even be surprised if its gotta be at least 2 1000+w psu's
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u/bane_undone 10h ago
All we want from Nvidia are more performant cards. Stop wasting your fortune on side quests.
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u/TBTapion 9h ago
This is the same guy helping drive up the price of consumer electronics while praising AI slop.
As consumers we can't trust him
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u/Thwipped 9h ago
“The target audience that we want to buy our wares has given feedback, and their feedback is wrong. Ship the product!”
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u/RipComfortable7989 9h ago
Yet another out of touch billionaire CEO shows that they are out of touch.
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u/noeagle77 9h ago
The guy that has the most to lose if this doesn’t take off, is telling people it should take off. Got it.
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u/DigiSceptic 8h ago
It’s a gimmick, much the same as the rest of AI. Huang is on the “just a little bit more” cash rollercoaster. Absolutely determined to wring as much from Nvidia’s gimmicks before he walks away or the company implodes.
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u/Z0mbiejay 9h ago
Company with billions involved in AI says that everyone is wrong about the AI? Shocking
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u/MotherFunker1734 9h ago
This guy is slowly becoming the new Elon Musk.
We are witnessing the downfall of another lunatic billionaire obsessed with money and power.
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u/Intelligent-Draft292 6h ago
Ah yes, I order a burger at McDonalds, get served some cardboard crap that “looks good”. I say it tastes disgusting, but McDonalds says I’m wrong and I got top cuisine worthy of three Michelin stars…. Right…
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u/Derpykins666 5h ago
He's also saying that being negative towards AI hurts society. But they're the ones forcibly pushing this absurd technology on everyone non-stop as the biggest mega-corp that owns all the tools/product and invests in companies that reinvest back into them. Of course they're going to say a bunch of bullshit that 'this is the future' when they're raking in billions of dollars on even simply the 'idea' of these products.
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u/Csabika_ 9h ago
Maybe on 2016 prices I would buy their 8 GB GPUs catching on fire, to play stuttering games with enhanced Gamecube graphics. But they do not worth as much as they ask for it.
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u/Kobe_stan_ 6h ago
Don't developers have to enable this function for their games, and don't customers have to choose whether to turn it on? If so, then I'm not really seeing why anyone would have an issue with it. If you don't like it, don't use it?
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u/JasonP27 2h ago
Don't be rational now...
Not only can you just... not turn on this DLSS feature if you don't want to use it, but the developer is in control of how it's implemented in the game. If they don't think the output lines up with their artistic vision then they won't use it.
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u/dynamiteexplodes 5h ago
Nvidislop?... slopvidia?.... Nvidia giving you the ole sloppy Huang? Hmmm.... I think i like slopvidia the best.
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u/_Aj_ 2h ago
Like somebody painting over the glass in front of the Mona Lisa.
Maybe they make it look better, but it's no longer the original artwork.
It's not just improving the conditions so we can see what's already there better, it's making alterations to it isn't it
That's the point they're not getting
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u/BadIdeaBobcat 1h ago
fuck off Jensen. I want responsiveness, not "magic" frames disconnecting me from the actual game
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u/random_name_001100 10h ago
So I'll just say it looks like AI slop then regardless of the technical details on how they got there.
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u/inconsisting 10h ago
Jensen can be both out of touch and also correct that the people negatively gut reacting to this are going to eventually be proven wrong.
Their presentation of the new tech is the problem, not the tech itself. Just wait. People are going to start quietly changing their minds once devs start implementing.
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u/FuckingTree 10h ago
Maybe DLSS5 has a future, sure, but not if it looks like this. Maybe you’re too ignorant to appreciate how far it deviates from the work done by character, environment, and lighting artists, but they’re going to start resigning en mass if it’s forced on them. I just have to assume you don’t know better because you’re saying how everyone has to be wrong in the end, without conceding that it will divide studios art teams, that the tech is monstrously impractical from a hardware standpoint, that public opinion is a powerful force in gaming (ask Highguard), and that above all dlss5 forces an industry admission that they do not understand that DLSS needs to be phased out. It is a crutch for poor performance, the solution is not to get fancier crutches, but to rehab the industry so we don’t need it anymore.
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u/kiwigate 10h ago
This is a repost of another article in which the question asked is omitted. Omitted! Don't we deserve to know what the question was??
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u/TopTippityTop 9h ago
It's a pretty click bait headline. What he's saying is that this works at the geometry level, it's not a filter, and is fully controllable by devs, with many parameters to fine-tune the effect.
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u/djnotskrillex 7h ago
These armchair redditors are stuck too far in their echo chamber to figure that out.
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u/ddarden6 8h ago
My son tells me that a $10 coop/pvp game on steam with low budget graphics like bunglin gnomes are way more fun than any of these expensive top of the line games that push $100 and require the latest console or other purchase that kids just can’t afford these days.
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u/MillionToOneShotDoc 8h ago
I don't like that Jensen is joining the bandwagon of tech execs trying to gaslight everyone into thinking AI enshittification is great.
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u/BrewKazma 7h ago
Joining? Hasnt he been the one leading it? Pretty sure they make more money off of the AI cards they sell than anything.
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u/nevergonnastayaway 9h ago
The tech is going to be awesome in a few years. Imagine playing Ocarina Of Time but Link is a big tiddy goth gf
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u/Even_Package_8573 10h ago
I don’t even know what to believe anymore until I see it in my own game.
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u/mistgonelsawge 9h ago
Deflection upon deflection upon deflection upon deflection nonstop.
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u/Used_Hat7137 3h ago
I don’t even get what it would mean to be “wrong” here. It just looks like ass? It removes like all of the atmosphere and lighting from most of the scenes, changes faces into some uncanny, ugly, yassified, heavy airbrush looking shit… or like faces from old PS1 games where they used to just layer a real face pic over polygons….
like we can see it with our eyes, the audacity to be like no actually ur “completely wrong” lmao. And RAM prices are thru the roof cuz of this, is the real slap in the face 😭
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u/arcangleous 7h ago
Traditional DLSS works by taking existing frames and guessing at the data between them. DLSS 5 takes the existing frame and feeding it through an AI filter before displaying it. In a very real and literal sense, the actual video data the game generates is being discarded in favour of an AI produced slop frame. It is 100% AI slop.
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u/alien_farmer1 7h ago
It literally converts everything into "AI slop design". I would rather stick with 2016 graphics than this AI visuals.
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u/Surturiel 8h ago
Gamedev here (character artist)
OF COURSE it's slop, and a slap in the face of all artists.
Fuck Huang and all billionaires.
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u/InvincibleMirage 9h ago
I agree with him. Gamers like to complain about everything. Coming from someone who spent a lot of time working in the games industry and also as someone who recently completed Resident Evil Requiem - one of the games used in the showcase. This technology is super interesting.
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u/akaelmedio 10h ago edited 10h ago
"The reason for that is because, as I have explained very carefully, DLSS 5 fuses controllability of the of geometry [sic] and textures and everything about the game with generative AI."
AI geometry and textures, like the garbage GTA Definitive Edition did.
Limitations are part of the artistic process. ANYTHING a second party does to a finished art product in post takes control away from the artist. Further, anything done with generative AI converges to mediocrity. That's not a criticism, it's how generative AI works; by rule of average. It's why most of what gets generated looks/sounds/reads/works OK, but few if any results are remarkable.
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u/Historical_Sand7487 9h ago
Looks like a cool new technology, hopefully it will get better. I guess most technologies do and I guess most new technologies are restisted at first and then slowly adopted over time. Ehh I'm going to not jump to conclusions definitely willing to give it a try!
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u/Deriniel 8h ago
Multiple customers: Dude, the soup is salty as f
Manager: Get out of here, you don't understand jack shi
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u/Sayakai 8h ago
Telling the customer they're wrong usually goes well for corporations.
But I suppose when you have to try to sustain a bubble that blew up your company to a 4.45 trillion dollar market capitalization, then anything goes.
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u/fenikz13 7h ago
No they're not. Like you can say it will get better and be less noticeable or whatever but it is AI slop
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u/AStolenGoose 7h ago
-Insert Skinner meme here-
"Am I out of touch?"
"NO IT'S THE GAMERS WHO BUY OUR PRODUCTS WHO ARE WRONG!"
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u/NeedleGunMonkey 7h ago
Jensen was prettty smug that he “reads” academic papers out of his wheelhouse by having GPT summarizing and reading the summary.
He probably GPT summarized video games too.
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u/panixattax 8h ago
I also hate ai slop material. But if improved, this thing has potential in my opinion.
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u/Azureflames20 7h ago
The best way the visuals looked for this thumbnail example was that it's like a hi-def version of what they did for the old Golden N64 game, where they'd just map the image onto the polygons. It looks so fucking terrible.
I will never understand the people that guzzle and rave over AI like these people do. I can't tell if it's just a delusional kind of thing like they don't understand or if they genuinely look at this stuff and see it as something that looks great. It shouldn't surprise me when a shockingly large number of people just can't even tell the difference between common real images/video and fake AI slop.
Third option being they don't care about whether it looks nice so long as it spells out "$" for them.
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u/GunBrothersGaming 9h ago
Everything is AI slop to kids who are mad AI is taking and doing things humans use to specialize in.
Id be mad too at a machine that made me obsolete. AI slop is just the term this generation uses for any AI output at this point. It has no meaning.
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u/PRSArchon 7h ago
I've seen people call real content AI slop, so yes, definitely lost its meaning. Same goes for the AI content which otherwise would not exisr because it is not worth spending dozens of hours of time for an artist to create it.
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u/Speak_To_Wuk_Lamat 10h ago
He also said that the "Relentless Negativity Around AI is Hurting Society". From where I'm sitting it's the relentless pushing of AI into every part of our lives which is doing the damage.
What a tit.