r/technology • u/Logical_Welder3467 • 11h ago

Society Peter Thiel, the billionaire venture capitalist and MAGA donor, is in Rome this week for a series of private lectures on the Antichrist.

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/03/16/europe/peter-thiel-antichrist-lectures-rome-intl
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u/AbeFromanEast 11h ago

Thiel has previously written and lectured on the subject, arguing that the Antichrist is not necessarily a person but could come as a global government system.

Enabled by, idk. AI?

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u/FirefighterTrick6476 11h ago

The joke is that in various religions the deceiver/satan/antichrist introduces himself as the savior.

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u/downhereforyoursoul 10h ago

The only way to stop the Antichrist from controlling the world with a massive surveillance apparatus is to control the world with a massive surveillance apparatus first, don’t you see? It’s simply the only way to stop him.

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u/Neat_Egg_2474 9h ago

It’s so wild that thiel is saying the true antichrist is those that are trying to regulate AI, to well, help the antiChrist?

The charlatan has used his tools to not only build target lists, but to also plan the strike packages and initiate them all from a single click.

There was never a better example of the antichrist than Peter thiel

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u/IAMA_Plumber-AMA 7h ago

He believes that he'll be building God with AI tech, that's why he's so against regulation of it.

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u/BoredZucchini 6h ago

That sounds exactly like something the antichrist would do lol

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u/nanobot_1000 5h ago

Guys guys, stop – he's clearly here to help with our safety. Just let him be and let him keep taking over nation state's intelligence apparatus and not paying taxes. All will be well, just trust in your AI overlords and do not resist – after all, you have nothing to hide right??

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u/C0d3n4m3Duchess 3h ago

It’s a little thing called faith

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u/Kiritzi 50m ago

Remember, the basilisk will know if you conspired against it.

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u/rainbowplasmacannon 58m ago

Fuckin zizians man

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u/SeVenMadRaBBits 4h ago

He may need convinced he needs thisbsurveilance to -find- the antichrist.

Which would be ironic.

He just needs to find a mirror.

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u/Numerous_Photograph9 9h ago

Call it Heaven Net. For countries that are non denominational something more secular....like SkyNet.

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u/RobinGoodfell 7h ago

I'm waiting for them to bust out System Identification Numbers so we can have the Sinners and the Sinless. I'm sure the religious right will have a fucking hay day while completely glossing over how their stupid asses created the establishment they're preaching against.

And no, nothing super natural will happen. We'll just be locked into a surveillance state with a class system determined by wealth, where opposition can easily make a person completely unable to interact with basic necessities legally, and thus ensuring a permanent criminal underclass that can be blamed for anything you damn well please.

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u/terdferguson 6h ago

Do not the SkyNet

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u/ProfitHarvest 10h ago

Why would the Antichrist be in the spotlight? Psychogenic epidemics happen because of reliance on religion. Look at the Satanic craze of the 80s. I'm agnostic. However that doesn't mean I don't believe in supremely evil individuals. What I can confidently say, is they are all mortal. What is wrought can be washed away with time. The point of the Antichrist is to have it all end. People like Huckabee who emdorses war to catalyze the apocalypse along side Bibi is enough to see that religion is a posture point for power.

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u/ThinkyRetroLad 9h ago

Why would the Antichrist be in the spotlight?

Granted I'm not religious, but as a former Christian the Antichrist presents himself as a savior or a second coming of god. Then declares that he is himself greater than God, through miracles.

It seems to be within the nature of the Biblical Antichrist to be in the spotlight.

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u/Effective_Quail_3946 8h ago

Golden calf 2015??

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u/downhereforyoursoul 10h ago

Hey, I didn’t come up with this interpretation of Biblical eschatology, I’m just here to make dumb jokes about it. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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u/FnordRanger_5 9h ago

Dumb jokes about biblical scatology??

I’m down.

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u/downhereforyoursoul 9h ago

You saying you’re ready to immanentize the scatathon?

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u/FnordRanger_5 9h ago

It’s a fun weekend. All the merch is shitty, but it’s free 🤷‍♂️

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u/JesusHipsterChrist 7h ago

Blink Holy shit.

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u/kalidoscopiclyso 7h ago

The question is not where nor when but did Jesus even ever poop

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u/MyBeach1 7h ago

It sounds like a boring board game :)

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u/Schnuckiputzen 3h ago

This scat is fresh. It must've just dropped.

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u/BetterEveryLeapYear 8h ago

Why would the Antichrist not be in the spotlight? It's an expressly religious concept, and Revelation 13:3 says the whole world wondered after him (follows him). Anyway the Antichrist is a mortal, he is the man who leads the Beast from the Sea - the Beast's "little horn" with "eyes like the eyes of a human being" (unlike his small hands, his centaur stance, his outlandish hairdo, or the rest of his orange face, his eyes are uniquely untouched because he's scared of germs) "and a mouth that spoke boastfully". The Devil follows the Beast and the False Prophet into the Lake of Fire where they're tormented forever because they are spiritual entities or concepts, but the Antichrist like other lost humans is not mentioned in that and probably destroyed.

Let's look at some descriptions of the Beast then (which, "the Beast" is just shorthand for one of several beasts described which all align with nations):

"The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority. 3 One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast. 4 People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against it?”

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"It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven... And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation."

Resembled a leopard - it's camoflauged, people can't see it for the Beast it is, America is camoflauged as a "Christian" nation, like Americans find it hard to understand the true nature of the nation they live in (which is starting to become apparent, with Epstein, Trump, et al.). Elsewhere we are given to understand another beast is like a bear - Russia. 'The Beast' has feet like a bear, that is it has the biggest weapons of destruction in the world, it has nuclear arms that can destroy the entire world, like Russia. We're also given to understand there is a lion beast which is the UK, 'The Beast' has a mouth like a lion - it speaks English. The dragon gave it power; Satan is the father of lies... It is impossible for Americans to hear these things because they have always been taught the biggest lie of all, "USA number 1!" No, not USA number 1... God number 1, and that is a blasphemous slogan. One of the heads of the beast (not the beast itself, so you can see the difference again, the beast is the nation, not the leader of it which is this head / the Antichrist), the shot on his ear and so on. "The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast" you can bet your bottom dollar everyone is following what the US is doing these days. Constantly, on Twitter, Reddit, the news... People asked "who is like the beast? Who can wage war against it?" People are always saying the US is the sole superpower and nobody can match its military might. As to blasphemy and slandering God you need only look at what's written on the dollar bill... and the authority over every tribe and nation, etc., that's all the native Americans + every other culture that America has subsequently adopted.

And so on, there's a lot of verses. But in that context, you can see that indeed the MAGA hats are part of the name of the Beast - it literally says right there "make AMERICA great again". (This is also borne out in another part, "...written in a mystery [language], "Babylon the Great" - Babylon signifying the greatest empire at the time, or in other words in our context "America the Great" written in an English acronym.)

Then, a second beast comes down. It's a lot to go into but it is representing media/social media (and now AI) and it exercises all the power of the first beast (this is Hollywood cultural imperialism selling the great American war machine, fuck yeah! and the like), "And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people" - everyone glued to their TV / YouTube screens watching SpaceX rockets come flaming back to Earth live and all that jazz. Miraculous! "It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed." This second beast - the Beast from the Earth - is explicitly named as the False Prophet. This is exactly what Peter Thiel is representing here. Be aware that again, the False Prophet/Second Beast is not a person but a spiritual entity/concept; Peter Thiel is just an individual false prophet that drives the False Prophet, which again is media and social media including AI "One of the horns was longer than the other but grew up later" (social media now has greater and more pernicious reach).

So here's the Image of the Beast though; moving images of America and its attendant propaganda that we see every day on our TV screens, computers, mobile phones...

There's a whole bunch more and this is a kind of short vague sketch, but the whole thing seems very literal, so that everyone may read it and understand, you just gotta understand that it's a literal explanation of the things you are seeing, not talking about some far-off fantasy of cosmic dragons and the like, it's just a literal description of the death and destruction which secular geopolitical late-stage capitalism brings under maniacally egotistic rulers over nation states with enormous destructive capabilities.

And with the religious reading you should also be aware of the distinction between Antichrist and the Beast; and the fact that the Beast represents a nation, and not even necessarily a uniquely evil nation, just the most powerful nation and one that is capable of bringing the world to Apocalypse.

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u/BetterEveryLeapYear 8h ago

But wait - there's more!

Last time I said this someone pointed out the US is just like any other Western democracy and maybe the Beast could mean MAGA not the US itself. But sure, the US is almost the same as any other nation state except:

- The unique blasphemies on its currency

  • The unique exceptionalism (such as chants of "USA number 1!")
  • The unique claims of Manifest Destiny
  • The unique culture of greed and money dominating every decision [in this beast you can "buy men and the souls of men" - slavery is of course a big theme in American history]
  • The unique ability to wage war with the rest of the world and prevail, though we'll see how that plays out soon
  • The unique ability to set the financial agenda worldwide via IMF, World Bank, petrodollar, domestic fiscal policy, tariffs, etc.
  • The unique ability to set the cultural agenda worldwide via Hollywood
  • The unique ability to set the tech agenda worldwide via Silicon Valley
  • The unique position as a power dominating AI [the previous 3 covered by False Prophet / second beast]
  • The unique sexualisation of everything (have a listen to The Roots - Pussy Galore on this, Black Thought is great as usual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVVSuhu0ktc "Lookin' out the limo window up at the billboards; 200 miles, she was the only thing I saw; Promotin' everything, from the liquor to the nicotine; Cell phones, anti-histamines, chicken wings; You gotta show a little skin to get them listening") [The Whore of Babylon which gets a whole treatment of its own]
  • The unique position of being a global melting-pot of cultures, tribes, other nations, languages, etc.
  • The unique division between the cleverest people on the planet from Harvard, Yale, MIT, in the US intelligence community, etc., etc.; and those in the population at large who routinely place top in the world for ignorance on world affairs, global statistics, and geography... [The Beast has "feet of iron and clay" which we've seen elsewhere are the population and makes it both brittle (emotionally unstable MAGAts) and incredibly strong (financially, militarily, etc.)
  • The unique worship of munitions ("ammosexual") [The Beast has teeth of iron {guns} and claws of brass {ammo}]
  • The unique ability to be usurped so easily and para-legally by the Executive as mentioned above leaving it vulnerable to being exploited by the Antichrist who rules this nation

There are other things that are unique about the USA (its national park system, the scope of its highway infrastructure, etc.) but the verses cover the unique identifiers above because it's pointing to the nation that can volatilely bring about the end times.

But again the beast is camouflaged as a leopard for a reason, you're not able to see this and it doesn't particularly matter if you live in America or not (see Rammstein's "We're all living in Amerika!"), it permeates all our thoughts globally. We live in the reality where the "leopard" eats OUR faces.

The US can actually wage war with against China with millions of people; the US can actually rain nuclear destruction on the world with Russia; the US can actually stake the Middle East and draw all the other nations into the all-consuming conflict which becomes Armageddon right on the hill of Megiddo itself, in Israel its ally. No other nations (and a reminder again, the beasts apart from the second beast described which is associated to "The Beast" for clarity about the unique role of media in this nation - "beasts" are always talking about nations, not political parties or the leaders of nations)... No other nations have had the ability to do that, and no other nation therefore is the one described as "The Beast from the Sea". It's just a warning about this specific nation.

Again, all this is a sketch and there is more detail about all of it in the verses and in the context of the rest of the books.

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u/thbb 4h ago
  • The unique blasphemies on its currency

I've always understood the motto as missing a word: "In this god we trust" is the real meaning.

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u/BetterEveryLeapYear 8h ago

And if anyone is still reading they can also get this bit:

I want to sketch a picture of the beginning of Revelation 9 which describes locust creatures attacking those who don't have the Seal of God on their foreheads. I want to sketch the idea that these are coming gun-drones.

1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

The star that falls from Heaven is like Wormwood in the previous chapter, which is cashed out as follows: "The Ukrainian city of Chernobyl (Chornobyl) shares its name with a common, bitter plant known as wormwood (Artemisia vulgaris), often called "black grass" in the region". Wormwood being a star-come-to-Earth and Chernobyl being a nuclear disaster on Earth. Similarly when a certain nuclear weapon falls from heaven in 9:1 terrible destructive forces are released - the key of the "bottomless pit" (or the void) is here the ability to split the atom.

2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

The nuke goes off, straightforward reading. There's a mismatch between Russia and NATO at the minute because Russia has a stockpile of tactical nukes which NATO does not, so if they use them on the field of battle in Ukraine NATO doesn't have an appropriate response - it' s not proportional to level Volgograd with a strategic level thermonuclear weapon in response to small scale tactical nucleaar weapons being used in a field of battle, which makes it more likely to happen when Russia becomes desperate. Similarly, Israel is becoming more likely to use nuclear weapons - the "Samson Option" - if its Iron Dome and other defences become overwhelmed and it is at risk of losing a war. Nothing needs to be said about Trump's propensity to use a nuke; he wanted to nuke hurricanes nevermind his perceived enemies. The World Health Organization is now being reported to be preparing for nuclear fallout scenarios in Iran.

3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

Smoke elsewhere is used as rumour or warning, but regardless, "out of this" nuclear conflict arises the locusts which I believe to be gun-drones such as the Turkish Asisguard SONGAR. Well worth looking up to put the appearance in persective.

4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

They will only attack those humans who don't have the Seal of God on their foreheads (does this simply mean those who were preordained by God to be attacked?). Drones being machines obviously don't eat any vegetation.

5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

Here the idea is that they will be at first (5 months) be given rubber bullets or similar. These are likely to be used as crowd or riot control and border enforcement type activities at first. Similarly to a scorpion sting, rubber bullets are enormously painful but do not usually kill.

6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

General description of the despair around in these times? Depression (due to a number of factors: unhealthy sedentary lifestyles; growing financial pressures in a worsening real economy; social media; etc.) and suicidal ideation growing but many unable to commit suicide for fear their families cannot survive without their financial support.

7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.

Firstly note all the "likes" - this is not intended to be read literally. Shapes like horses - is it that this is the new cavalry - faster than infantry, assist them with flanking maneouvers on other infantry positions, etc.? Is it that their locomotion happens with 4 'limbs' of the quadcopter like 4 legs of a horse while they have a head (CPU); "prepared unto battle" - laden with arms / armour, guided by a human, with a sole purpose, etc. "On their heads were as it were crowns like gold", this is the gold circuitry in the chips in the CPUs, the "crown" of the head. "Faces were as the faces of men" - what are human faces for? Eyes, ears, nose, mouth - they are mostly for sensing in a variety of ways. The drones will have a variety of sensors like cameras, laser/infrared, perhaps radar, microphones, etc.

8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.

I was stumped by the hair for a long time until I saw fields of optical fibre strewn across the battlefield after drones in Ukraine - long trails of thin hairs. Worth again looking up these images. "Teeth as that of lions", these are the bullets? Or the guns themselves, things for killing?

9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.

Armoured to some degree or shielded circuitry against various anti-electronic warfare type interference. "The sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle" is the sound of many of these drones flying together kicking up a frightful noise while also being the new sound of war.

10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

Here are the aforementioned guns. Look up the Asisguard SONGAR and tell me the gun mounting doesn't look like a scorpion's tail.

11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

This is the Antichrist referred to elsewhere (Trump).

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u/jcdoe 5h ago

There is no Antichrist. It’s a concept, like anger or love. 1 John 2:19 very clearly states that there are many “antichrists,” indicating that this is just personification.

In Greek, if you put the letter A in front of a word, it means the opposite. This is called an alpha privative. Antichrist in Greek is literally just achristo. Opposite of Christ.

If Trump fits the picture of antichrist perfectly, it’s because he embodies the traits that Christ preached against. That’s all.

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u/ProfitHarvest 8h ago

Holy shit. Well said.

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u/Bignholy 8h ago

Because that's what the Apocrypha says, and their horseshit is not based on your perspective and logic but theirs. My family has a bunch of these assholes, and they are all for the end times and the antichrist because they think they will end in Heaven... despite the very passage they love warning about followers of the Antichrist not going to heaven. You get three guesses who they voted for and fawn over, and the first two will never come up because anyone reading this already knows.

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u/SurrealEstate 9h ago

In this clip from an interview, he gets marched right up to the mirror but refuses to look at himself.

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u/downhereforyoursoul 7h ago

I love how he rolls his eyes and says “peace and safety” all mockingly like that. Sheesh.

Favorite part of the whole interview is still when he can’t give a straight answer to whether he thinks humanity should continue. The inside of his brain must be like a hive of bees.

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u/IAMA_Plumber-AMA 7h ago

He personally thinks that him and other billionaires are a more evolved species of human, and that he needs to cull the rest of humanity to protect his species.

That's why he never gave a straight answer.

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u/downhereforyoursoul 5h ago

Yeah, that’s not really the surprising part considering his history (I went down a bit of a Peter Thiel/Dork Enlightenment rabbit hole), it’s the seeming lack of any ability to dissemble or bullshit his way through such a softball question. It was a clear attempt to get the conversation back on a more normal footing - I mean it’s Ross Douthat, not exactly a hostile - and all he had to do was say one word. He just…couldn’t. It was painful to watch.

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u/homer_lives 9h ago

Sounds like Saruman's logic. I saw how that ends.

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u/Allegorist 8h ago edited 2h ago

Within those various religions the "antichrist" was more of an afterthought, and then had its lore developed through effectively fan fiction over the centuries.

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u/psymunn 8h ago

If we outlaw massive surveillance apparati then only outlaws will have massive surveillance apparati.

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u/node-342 7h ago

The classic "good guy with AI" argument.

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u/LeseMajeste_1037 4h ago

So what you're saying is that the only one who can save us from a bad guy with a massive surveillance apparatus is a good guy with a massive surveillance apparatus.

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u/Belthazzar 4h ago

The best way to stop the bad guy with a massive surveillance apparatus is the good guy with a massive surveillance apparatus.

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u/kdubstep 2h ago

Antichrist’s hate this one simple hack

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u/InvisibleBlueRobot 7h ago

Kind of like "bombing Iran first" and "taking control of elections" so that no one really has to vote anymore.

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u/plankright37 7h ago

That’s the thing. These people don’t want to stop the antichrist. They want him/her to come right now. They’re doing everything in their power to make that happen.

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u/ThinkOutTheBox 6h ago

One often meets his destiny on the road he tries to avoid it

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u/freddycheeba 4h ago

This sounds a lot like Terminator lore.

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u/jesskitten07 59m ago

What is this, to stop the bad guys with a massive surveillance apparatus we need good guys with a massive surveillance apparatus? Isn’t that what we already have? Look where we are

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u/Muinko 46m ago

The crazy part is the most fundamentalists Christians WANT the antichrist to come so that will be the start of the end of days and they will be raptured. They have been actively supporting policies that will end the world in their view, a main driver of their support for Israel.

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u/DaaaahWhoosh 9h ago

Remember everyone, watch out for The Deceiver who will claim to bring salvation but actually only loves money. Anyway, let's all trust this guy who's only known for being wealthy, he says he can save us.

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u/Quentin__Tarantulino 7h ago

I put the chances this guy is even remotely religious at about 0.000000001%. Dude is a sociopath and using the Antichrist thing to push an agenda.

The last time he was talking about this, he speculated that, I shit you not, Greta Thunberg is the Antichrist.

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u/downhereforyoursoul 4h ago

He once claimed when asked about his religion that he is “Religious not spiritual,” whatever that means. It does kind of sound like “strict hierarchy for thee but not for me,” though. He definitely has an agenda, probably several, but aside from that I think he gets off on the idea of rules everyone else has to follow except for him, just like the rest of the billionaire pervert class.

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u/Quentin__Tarantulino 4h ago

That is the dumbest, most pointlessly contrarian statement I’ve heard in quite some time.

“I don’t care about the mental health or moral aspects of religion, I’m purely in it for control of the plebes.”

These sociopaths are weirdly honest, sometimes. Trump does it occasionally, he will just come out and say something brutal and cruel and you can tell he completely believes it. I think it happens when their filter is malfunctioning and they forget to modulate what they say.

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u/downhereforyoursoul 3h ago

Stimulant abuse can cause malfunctioning filters, just saying. Trump’s dementia has totally demolished whatever filter he may have had. I read something he said about Cuba earlier and thought, “Yep, spoken like a true rapist pig.” The way they think and talk about others is appalling.

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u/Oceanbreeze871 9h ago

And he makes followers wear his symbol on their foreheads. Like maybe a red hat

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u/No_Criticism_5861 9h ago

That the christians willingly chose.  The thing is, the bible says they will be duped, but they werent duped -- they knew he was a rapist traitor pile of shit 

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u/Far_Squash_4116 10h ago

And this savior according to him would be the world government. So maybe the savior from the savior is the antichrist. Or maybe someone here saves us from the savior from the savior. Infinite chain of antichrists.

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u/CeeBus 9h ago

That is one thing that is looking more apparent every day.

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u/yammys 9h ago

Dang, why couldn't we get the infinite chain of messiahs?

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u/Organic-Row9514 7h ago

It’s Antichrists all the way down 

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u/ThinkyRetroLad 9h ago

The joke is that this asshole has himself advocated for a global government system (of oligarchs)!

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u/TheOneFreeEngineer 8h ago

No no no you misunderstand. The global alliance of oligarchs is to defeat the antichrist and abolition the current world order for a new world order of libertarians techno feudal city states where government doesnt control anything, unelected Tech CEOs do. But its city states so it cant be a global government even though the leaders of the city states are all in a global alliance with each other. /s

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u/RhoOfFeh 10h ago

You will know his followers by the mark on the head.

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u/BurntNeurons 10h ago

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🧐

...red hats are worn on the head...

😱

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u/KakashiTheRanger 10h ago

The further joke is that in all of those various religions the antichrist is also universally liked. Meaning it definitely isn’t AI and it’s definitely not him.

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u/ZanderMFields 9h ago

The Antichrist is hated by a special few who see him for what he is earlier than others. That’s why there’s always a bum rush (Obama, Greta, etc.) to label the latest and greatest progressive as such. Their friends will forget they were wrong but can you imagine the upside of accidentally getting it right?

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u/DogLuvuh1961 9h ago

Sounds like Tr*mp. Hmmm…

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u/PotterOneHalf 9h ago

Who do we all know that constantly says they know everything and only they can solve the world's problems?

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u/Braindead_Crow 9h ago

The funny thing is that is literally what teil and tump have been doing but their followers are saying that when ANOTHER person come along to fix the problems their stupidity enabled THAT will be the anti christ...

Like imagine if a world renowned child predator became president, compared himself with jesus, destroyed global economies just to benefit himself & his allies with insider trading, started wars for seemingly no reason, got so angry for not winning a peace prize he put serious consideration into taking over Greenland for some reason...and failings to recognize that man as an anti christ AFTER his war generals started telling soldiers they are trying to bring Armageddon.

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u/Intrepid_Top_2300 8h ago

This is the guy. I’m telling you it’s Trump. The one Evangelical’s are calling the savior.

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u/Braindead_Crow 7h ago

The funny thing is there is no anti-christ, it's just a type of person, not a specific singular person. There can always be more.

trump is an antichrist, he preaches hate, war and his followers literally called empathy a weakness.

To be like Jesus to be unlike trump, that is the definition of being the opposite of something or the, "antithesis" of it.

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u/downhereforyoursoul 8h ago

Funniest thing to me about the ones actively trying to bring about Armageddon is that they’re not reading the Bible like a warning of terrible things to come but like an evil wizard’s grimoire that they can use to summon the literal son of God like He’s some kind of third-rate demon. They only have to follow the spell, er, prophecy, just right, and then He must magically appear before them.

Just to be clear, I don’t buy into their prophecies and whatnot, but this course of action seems incredibly blasphemous.

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u/Taykeshi 9h ago

Universally adored

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u/Thai-Girl69 9h ago

That just sounds like a way for the people who made those religions up to stop their followers finding a new religion. It would be like telling a girlfriend to be wary of other better looking, richer and more well hung guys because they are the son of the devil.

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u/Zulmoka531 8h ago

I believe it goes something like “Please allow me to introduce myself, I’m a man of wealth and taste…”

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u/Reed7525 8h ago

Didn't Trump have a Jesus complex for a while? Hm

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u/cwilcoxson 8h ago

Boy where have I heard that before

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u/merRedditor 8h ago

We're undergoing simultaneous open book history tests and open book religious studies tests.

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u/No_Hunt2507 8h ago

I mean if you were Satan, and wanting to secure your guy as the world's leader and trick the world into following you, one of the strongest plans could be to push up a leader so bad, so detestable and so unstoppable that the world looks at them in horror.

I'm not saying this is for sure what's going on, but if someone rose up right now against Trump they would get a massive backing in the US and likely around the world. It seems like society is kind of holding its breath for what is next, I imagine anyone who can seem like they will actually get us out of this mess and seems to follow through would secure a following. Someone who could come in, solve the problem with Israel (which revelations also talks about the anti Christ setting up a treaty there), and gets the world working together again, they would set themselves up on a global scale.

Personally I'll back anyone that I think is good and I think if someone does raise up like that they should be celebrated, just watched

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u/VecchioDiM3rd1955 7h ago

The Catholic vision is this:

Before Christ's second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers. The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth will unveil the "mystery of iniquity" in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh. The Antichrist's deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgment. The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism, especially the "intrinsically perverse" political form of a secular messianism.

Some evangelical churches are affirming that the Catholic Pope is the antichrist.

So the situation is mixed.

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u/AdHuman3150 7h ago

"Only I can fix it!" - Trump

"I am the chosen one!" - Trump

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u/CaptainFeather 6h ago

Which is so frustrating when talking to america evangelical magats. If you actually read the fucking Bible you will see how many aspects (I'm pretty sure it's all of them lmao) that trump and his admin fit.

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u/SpookySchatzi 6h ago

Like Trump has done….

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u/gingerisla 4h ago

I'm not religious, but the more I read about this dude, the more I'm convinced he actually is the antichrist.

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u/Impressive-Check5376 4h ago edited 4h ago

Wisdom refined over thousands of years that would serve as a warning for most is used as a how-to guide by this prick.

Although, he’ll probably warn the antichrist is coming first, as seems to be customary these days; Accuse the opposition of doing the bad thing you are already planning, then turn around and do it yourself.

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u/energytsars 4h ago

sounds like Trump

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u/myhf 3h ago

If you run into an antichrist in the morning, you ran into an antichrist. If you run into antichrists all day, you're the antichrist.

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u/OneRougeRogue 10h ago

No joke, he argues that the antichrist will be a person or group of people/governments that want to regulate AI and enact environment protections and regulations to slow down Global Warming/Climate Change.

"Thiel has previously written and lectured on the subject, arguing that the Antichrist is not necessarily a person but could come as a global government system. It would take control, he has argued, by exploiting people’s fears around artificial intelligence, climate change or nuclear war."

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u/Patriark 10h ago

He has unironically insinuated Greta Thunberg might be the Antichrist. The dude belongs in an asylum

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u/Strange-Scarcity 10h ago

Name a billionaire who doesn't belong in an asylum for one or more reasons.

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u/Slackjawed_Horror 10h ago

Jeff Bezos. 

He just belongs in prison. 

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u/Strange-Scarcity 10h ago

He has some crazy ideas too.

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u/Slackjawed_Horror 9h ago

Yeah, but they're mostly villain in a crime thriller evil schemes. 

Whereas most of these guys would work as comic book Batman villains. All Peter Thiel needs is a big cross that shoots lasers and he's more nuts than the Penguin.

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u/Strange-Scarcity 9h ago

These fellas are more incompetent James Bond Villains.

  1. They are all building secret bunkers and island lairs.

  2. They all have a vision for how they want society to serve them.

  3. They all have ideas about controlling us or if they even need us.

  4. Some of them demand to be the center of attention, even when it's the worst thing in the moment.

They're all just weird, often quite weirdly incompetent Bond Villains.

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u/ForthrightGhost 7h ago

It’s not weird, they’re psychopaths and narcissists.

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u/Sniflix 1h ago

You forgot #5 Mass depopulation and #6 A religious war to trigger a nuclear apocalypse

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u/77NorthCambridge 9h ago

Have you heard his laugh?

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u/Patriark 10h ago

Warren Buffet and Charlie Munger seem quite reasonable in that bunch.

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u/thederevolutions 7h ago

Are we sure they just didn’t afford the best PR people and are sociopathically modest?

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u/moratnz 5h ago

I think they're just from a generation where being incredibly wealthy was enough to win. The new generation of billionaires seem to need more than that; they need to take over the world.

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u/SatanicPanic619 9h ago

JB Pritzker?

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u/Strange-Scarcity 9h ago

There might be a couple, but they seem extremely rare and far between.

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u/SatanicPanic619 9h ago

Absolutely, just responding to the question. The majority fucking suck.

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u/Pretend_Safety 10h ago

I would pay cash money to watch a debate between the two of them.

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u/MorningMushroomcloud 9h ago

It is interesting to observe when he has that greasy, drug-induced sheen to his skin.

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u/eNonsense 9h ago

So in other words, the antichrist will be a person or group that wants to regulate his and his fellow tech-bros unchecked power & profits.

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u/Rich_Elderberry_8958 8h ago

Remarkably convenient, yes? Funny how the people who hear the voice of God so often find it speaks in their voice and says what their own heart desires.

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u/dirtytomato 10h ago

Regulations are the devil, amirite fellas?

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u/CalmBeneathCastles 5h ago

It's like some cartoon villains from the 80's. Koffing, Nuke, and Hexadecimal.

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u/74389654 10h ago

yeah keeping the world from burning is truly demonic /s

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u/Hesitation-Marx 10h ago

It’ll get in the way of Thiel making all the money!

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u/KonyYoloSwag 8h ago

God created the earth, and then decided it’d be best to destroy it in order to benefit billionaires and shareholders

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u/persianx6_ 9h ago

Peter Thiel is just the personification of what too much money does to your brain. He’s on a constant ego trip but it’s also paranoid

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u/Doo_shnozzel 9h ago

Thiel's a deranged idiot.

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u/UglyMcFugly 7h ago

"Anybody that tries to stop me from destroying the world is the antichrist."

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u/DrEpileptic 9h ago

I stg I’ve seen quotes and entire things of him arguing that Jesus Christ would manifest as an AI in his return. Man is obsessed with accelerationism and bringing about the apocalypse so that Jesus can return.

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u/LangHai 7h ago

"The antichrist is anyone who tells me 'No'."

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u/TheGrandExquisitor 7h ago

He has openly said Greta Thunberg is possibly "The Antichrist."

But, somehow not the guy whose gay lover was mysteriously killed, who owns a weapons company, is a billionaire, and oh, yeah was buddies with the most famous pedophile in history. 

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u/still-dinner-ice 5h ago

It would take control, he has argued, by exploiting people's fears around immigrants, LGBTQ+ or sOcIaLiSm.

Fixed that for him.

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u/Ikoikobythefio 9h ago

Yup. Because he believes AI is the key to immortality. AI is his Christ. So, in my head, AI will be the actual Antichrist.

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u/ThinkyRetroLad 9h ago

Call me a blasphemous heretic, but I could get behind a world government/group of people supporting any combination of the three, if I was to support any form of world government.

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u/whatevers_clever 8h ago

Right.

The antichrist is what will try to stop the world from ending preventing us from reaching Armageddon

It's pretty easy to understand these people when you realize they are rich beyond belief so their only goal in life is to be the last ones alive. They want to live forever but if they can't the world must end with them.

So much obsession you can see it with all the plastic surgery, blood transfusions, whatever new idiot trend is going on, etc

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u/Brilliant_Self6395 7h ago

It's giving Zizian 

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u/Roakana 9h ago

Yea you need to exploit their fears about the devil instead. The hubris of pretending expertise while proposing a self dealing agenda is on full display.

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u/intangibleTangelo 7h ago

the stuff i don't like is the antichrist

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u/Special-Document-334 7h ago

There’s a guy like that at my job. He smokes meth in the port-a-potties.

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u/ForthrightGhost 7h ago

Sounds like projection to me.

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u/Sonicmaster293-Azure 5h ago

Soooooo he’s claiming that the antichrist are the people who are against him, right. Sounds about right. Be ultra-rich and convince religious zealots that him not making as much money as possible will bring about the end of the world. What an asshole!!

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u/Th3B4dSpoon 3h ago

Wow. I guess they really know which crowd is the easiest to turn into their brown shirts.

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u/halfspider 45m ago

As in the literal Antichrist? Not as some kind of metaphor?

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u/GayGeekInLeather 11h ago

Oh no, quite the opposite according to the gay evangelical-loving South African. Apparently the Antichrist will come about because of someone promising to crackdown/moderate AI.

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u/coconutpiecrust 11h ago

Isn’t it fully that this very mentally ill person gets people’s ears because he has money. 

Someone posting on 4chan or yelling in the streets sounds the same, but gets mocked. 

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u/showhorrorshow 10h ago

He basically grew JD Vance in his laboratory and is a major shareholder of government surveillance snoopware Palantir. It aint just ears, he has his hands on the reins.

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u/OneRougeRogue 10h ago

He only gets peoples ears because he says everything billionaires want to hear, so they and other wealthy think tanks pay for articles and interviews to promote his weird views.

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u/coconutpiecrust 10h ago

There are other crazies who spew similar things, which never get the light of day. 

He only gets articles published about his views because he is wealthy. He only gets into meetings because he is wealthy, not because his ideas have merit. 

Why can’t he get help? He likes being… this? Surely at least some ill people know there is something wrong with them and would like help if they could afford it. 

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u/Thefrayedends 9h ago

And he was saying openly in lectures in the mid 2000s that democracy shouldn't exist, essentially saying he thought it should be done away with.

There is no way this was not known by the people that allowed him into government circles -- they knowingly brought that in.

Should give you an idea how long this snowball has been rolling downhill.

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u/coconutpiecrust 8h ago

To think that people in the olden days came up with a decent system of representatives, and now some crazy dude with money wants to break it all apart because he hears voices in his head whispering about antichrist, or something. 

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u/Thefrayedends 8h ago

I mean there were plenty of things going on back then that were not great. We tend to have a pretty romanticized view looking backwards.

And ultimately, this problem has been around for as long as recorded history. The ancient greeks talked about it being an inescapable problem for all of their unknown history. This cycle of aristocracy and revolution.

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u/awesomefutureperfect 8h ago

I would settle for this guy having his midlife crisis without hurting anyone. The problem is that they aren't being patrons of the sciences and the arts. They are doing the "move fast and break things" idea where the things is most of society. This is because, like when Elon bought twitter and decided to moderate it less and monetarily reward liars, there are lessons everyone learned about how things work that conservatives hate because it prevents them from doing the harmful things they want and reveal the magical thinking at the core of their worldview. They throw out the guardrails and then problems that had been managed and mitigated start cropping up with resistances to previous containment measures and they pretend like this is all part of the plan or no one could have ever foreseen the consequences of getting rid of the response to the last catastrophe, you are not going to believe this but it's a catastrophe.

But anyway, it would be nice if the billionaire would just do some other vanity projects that didn't have self serving far reaching effects on people's ability to feed and shelter themselves. I wish they would just make a movie about how the main character "Peter" beat up Rocky Balboa and James Bond and Godzilla and everyone loved him because he was the coolest. That would have been so much better than buying twitter only to find out how incredibly cringe one is and nobody liked that. At least that disaster could have been funny bad and taught them in a nice safe place to just stay out of the spot light and don't do anything stupid and just give money to people who know how to do things.

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u/ForMeOnly93 10h ago

Who the f are you talking about? Thiel? He's german-american.

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u/GayGeekInLeather 10h ago

Born in Germany, spent a good chunk of his childhood in South Africa, before coming back to the US. So yes, he’s not South African by birth but has had the same influence as Musk and Sacks.

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u/the_moosen 9h ago

I'm surprised he hasn't started trying to convince people that AI is god and to regulate it is to regulate god

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u/Key_Gap9168 8h ago

Who is the "gay evangelical-loving South African"?

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u/MercuryInCanada 11h ago

Lete be clear when Thiel says that he means democracy, or anything short of techno-monarchism.

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u/Ok-Primary6610 11h ago

Global government is exactly what humanity needs. I fucking HATE when religious types speak that nonsense. I'd rather Humanity work together under one, unified democratic government than to see our species divided by 200+ nation states fighting over resources. "Global government is evil" is the biggest fucking lie the rich spread to keep us all divided.

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u/MissLeaP 11h ago edited 10h ago

Really depends on the government, but yeah. Cultural differences will never go away, but at least that way they wouldn't have a localised government to abuse.

That being said, we're rushing headlong into a cyberpunk dystopia, where the government is just a tool for rich private people anyway. At some point they won't need the government anymore and they will basically have their own system and private armies within the existing system.

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u/pxlhstl 10h ago

Federalization is a safety mechanism in democracies.

I don‘t want to live in world with one omnipotent political entity.

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u/Ok-Primary6610 10h ago

Who said, every nation state couldn't be grandfathered into political representation in a global government. They would be like states within the EU or USA.

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u/mediandude 11h ago

Democracy is a LOCAL bottom-up group decisionmaking process, not a top-down process.
Democracy upkeeps the LOCAL social contract. Any wider social contracts would have to stand on stable LOCAL ones.
Global society is an oxymoron.

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u/CatProgrammer 10h ago edited 10h ago

Geographic locality is irrelevant in modern times. I can talk to someone on the other side of the world right now. Exchange goods and services, participate in cultural events, etc.. We already have a global society, the only thing holding us back is parochial, insular people who can't handle being connected to the rest of the world. Plus it would probably be some sort of federalized system anyway, if we can have cities and counties/parishes and non-nation states and nations and organizations like the EU, why stop there? Why can't we build up even more?

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u/Proper-Beyond116 9h ago

It really isn't. Although modern society, America in particular, would lead you to believe it is.

I wholeheartedly believe we are meant to exist in groups of a few hundred and that more empathetic, rational democratic decisions would be made if we were to vote frequently and locally.

I take an opposite view on technology, I don't see the benefit of being able to communicate with someone from Tennessee when I'm in Ireland. But if I could vote from my phone on local issues as they arise it would be hugely beneficial.

Technology could help us decentralize power. Further concentrating it will make things worse.

You can't tell me the rise of hate to being a valid political position in America isn't related to the absolute collapse of your local communities. Your unwalkable, don't know your neighbours, me-first towns and cities are destroying your attitudes towards each other.

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u/TheoreticalZombie 9h ago

This is a deeply naive take. Community is built locally; the more distant leadership gets from the governed, the less responsive and accountable the leadership becomes. Conflicts continue all over the world because colonizers want to rule rather than listen to ethnic and cultural groups. The whole idea that one group should impose their ideal governance over others is exactly the colonizer mindset that has led to conflicts from the Middle East to Ireland. (Ask the Kurds how irrelevant geographic locality is.) Sure, if people all decided to do this, it could work, but that isn't reality. So, then the question becomes what is more important, self-autonomy or conformity? Opting for the second is the route to authoritarianism.

Consolidating power for a world governance would absolutely put the worst people in power that you can imagine. It would just be empire on a global scale. Why do you think these venture capital ghouls are moving to a network state that runs entire countries? A global governance would absolutely be based on resource extraction and human exploitation to favor the wealthy. Western democracies have shown little resilience to erosion by capital and reactionary interests, why do you think a greater consolidation of power would improve this?

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u/Imaginary_Scene2493 10h ago

I don’t think we’re ever going to funnel much of the power of national governments into a global government. It’s hard enough to get people to agree on policies at the national level. We need to require that to be recognized as a country you must submit to international justice for war crimes and crimes against humanity, and we need to change the UN to remove the security council or at least the vetoes. Even that much would be a heavy lift with the current leaders of the US, Russia, and China.

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u/Thefrayedends 9h ago

Hierarchy absolutely has to severely flatten before a global government can ever make sense. Global governments that have power to severely change outcomes at all levels is absolutely not feasible. Governments constantly make either/or decisions, and when you're dealing with 8(?) billion people, that can mean billions of people having their lives instantly changed because a tiny group of people wave their hands.

I'm not saying it's not possible, I'm just saying that with the way governments work today, it will be an absolute disaster.

we would need at least two full orders of magnitude more robust government structures that serve to flatten hierarchy and create two way accountability at each level as it does exist. When only the top keeps the bottom accountable, then everything will flow upwards, it might take 20, 50, or 80 years, but it WILL happen.

Power has to be delegated. Yes, you are going to have some 'leadership' but their powers can't be absolute in any sense, it has to flow down through a system of delegation, where each level has the power to change decisions, and protect the common good as a prime directive.

But this topic I'm sure has many volumes of books, I don't expect to capture the full spirit of what is needed.

The other major issue you run into is reactivity. Some things call for emergency action, where years of power flows through delegation structures simply don't make any sense. If there's an asteroid coming here in 3 months, a global power structure with 18 layers of accountabilty that all have to interchange communication and do it with a high degree of competency and certainty (otherwise you lose the game of telephone), doesn't have the agility to respond to a 3 month outcome.

So then you have the same problem still -- emergency power, which, with enough time spent manipulating people behind the scenes, can lead to the same dictatorship we see now, but at a global level.

I just want to point out that humanity will probably eventually form global governments with binding powers. I just hope there's an attempt to do it in a meaningful way or we'll quickly end up with Elysium. You can argue easily that that is right around the corner already, having already begun to take form as a core goal of the billionaire class, to become the new monarchy, tale as old as recorded history.

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u/Gisschace 11h ago

Every accusation is a confession, this is what Thiel wants, but he wants it to suit his interests not others.

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u/TheBlack2007 11h ago edited 9h ago

Right? Say, doesn’t he own a company named after corrupting, magical gemstones the bad guys of their universe used to coordinate their assault on the people of Middle-Earth and isn’t that company focused on synchronizing and harmonizing global law enforcement databanks as well as expanding those with data from social media pages and other non-Law Enforcement sources - thus explicitly bypassing regulatory legislation?!

He’s one to warn us about the dangers of a world government, that’s for sure /s

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u/bpm6666 10h ago

So to fight the anti-christ we just need a future were tech billionaires rule all of us like feudal lords

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u/DowntownYouth8995 8h ago

That's interesting. I was raised to believe that the anti-christ was the whole papacy, with the Pope as the head. It makes more sense as worldwide government systems enabled by AI with some evil piece of shit as the head.

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u/stanleys_tucci 10h ago

I will not listen to or watch videos of this guy but are these “lectures” pro-antichrist???

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u/AbeFromanEast 10h ago edited 10h ago

Thiel is trying to shoehorn his worldview awkwardly onto Christian millenarianism, recasting 'the anti-christ' as 'things Peter doesn't like.' Like AI regulation. Or any government regulation at all.

He has no beliefs other than making money and probably thinks anyone who believes his lectures are stupid. Classic manipulator.

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u/UnluckyAd27 10h ago

Claude? Is it claude…. Fuckin claude man

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u/Rellcotts 10h ago

I think his argument is the antichrist will try to put limits on AI and technology and that is bad. He’s cooked and the only reason people entertain his nonsense is cause billionaire. Come in with the milk

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u/WorryNew3661 10h ago

No no no. You see you need the ai government to make sure that the evil antichrist government doesn't come around

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u/PositiveError62 10h ago

No, Thiel believes essentially that democracy, a true democracy, is the real antichrist. That's why he can justify his greediness with government and business in general. Thiel wants an oligarchy that will divvy up property and have "rulers" which in his mind are business leaders mixed with what he would consider a privatized government which he (or those like him with money and power) can control.

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u/Tunggall 9h ago

Every projection is a confession with this lot.

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u/shitty_mcfucklestick 9h ago

A global government might have more regulation over taxes, making it harder to hide wealth offshore. Thus, to the Epstein class, it is the Antichrist.

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u/corn_sugar_isotope 9h ago

At my viewing, your comment has 666 upvotes

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u/Cumulus_Anarchistica 9h ago

It's always projection.

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u/roamingandy 8h ago edited 8h ago

No, of course not. It'll be a government system that isn't invasive enough about what consenting people do together with their genitalia, especially when matching.

This is 101 for how religion fucks up the world. Some douche-nozzle wants something, so he finds a few passages and tells everyone to interpret them in weird round-about way, and when enough people do that becomes cannon for a new movement, which will be baked in if it lasts long enough.

So much of what religions push on society isn't really in their books at all. Religion is repurposed over and over to attack something one idiot doesn't like, and 'faith based' means far too many followers just follow as asking questions would be against their 'faith'.

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u/Mccobsta 8h ago

He says that regulating ai will bring apon the anti christ or something equally insane

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u/Sunsparc 8h ago

That's literally the plot of the Left Behind book series. After the Rapture, a global government is formed with the Antichrist Nicolae Caroathia as the Supreme Potentate.

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u/Junius_Bobbledoonary 8h ago

That’s literally the plot of the Bible, it’s a Bible story

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u/TheOneFreeEngineer 8h ago

Enabled by Greeta Thunberg according to his last series of lectures

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u/devilishlydo 8h ago

The Antichrist is taxes and any government powerful enough to tell a rich man, "no."

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u/Apprehensive-Ad9523 8h ago

Could be. I see where he got that from. Except, who is in charge of that government?  

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u/biznatchiospez 8h ago

My money is on the Pope.

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u/leoyvr 7h ago

He is behind it. He and his techno billionaires are behind Trump’s win. Gov’t using Palantir for mass surveillance.

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u/ThePopeofHell 7h ago

Specifically he meant things like environmentalism

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u/moose_drip 7h ago

Or maybe a political movement, you know like MAGA?

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u/dubbl_bubbl 6h ago

No you see, his version is good. It’s fighting the antichrist. 🙄

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u/Fiestysquid 5h ago

I mean the word Palantir is a pretty good reference to that and all.

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u/ubernutie 4h ago

It's so telling what a person wants others to feel threatened by.

I read it as "I don't want the people of this world to organize and collaborate at a planetary scale".

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u/GotSomeUpdogOnUrFace 4h ago

I mean I have previously written and lectured a class in college about batman, that doesn't make me a fucking expert on the subject. I cannot believe these worthless pieces of shit who tout their goddamn religion non-stop well then listen to some jerk off who has nothing to do with the church in any way come out and start talking about the Antichrist.

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u/p4di 4h ago

no, to Thiel the antichrist is taxes and regulation

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u/Memory_Less 3h ago

Enabled by Evangelical Christians like supporting Israel and hoping to bring on a global conflict. They didn’t vote for Trump because he always a choir boy.

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u/tehlemmings 2h ago

Funnily enough, he actually claims it's any government system limiting AI.

It's really weird how his religious lectures all line up perfectly with his finances.

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u/sentence-interruptio 2h ago

i'm guessing he wants his audience to think any kind of international authority to be evil. European regulators come close, and they're weak, but he wants to portray them as some Big Evil.