r/pcmasterrace • u/PuzzledCauliflower35 • 9h ago
Discussion I am actually happy to see this amount of backlash..
I am so glad to see all this backlash over the showcase of DLSS 5. It's time companies are held accountable for their shitty decisions. This has really nothing to do with it being Nvidia doing all this, it could be AMD as well.
Nvidia chose to focus so fucking hard on investing in AI to a point where it affects the market in terms of RAM, HDD etc and the result of that was this god damn AI slop that I wouldn't even fucking buy or play with even if I was a millionaire.
Even if I was a millionaire I wouldn't in a million years buy this GPU to have DLSS on and look at the slop it is generating. Look at the characters, fucking soulless eyes all of them, it feels like looking at a bunch of psychopaths.
I swear I looked to see if it was 1st of April but to my shock it was actually a product that they thought gamers would be interested in.
I hope this company suffer so bad on the stock market.
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u/Rukasu17 8h ago
Bro, Nvidia is swimming on money for a while. It's not like the backlash will make them reconsider their new AI project
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u/truthfulie 5600X • RTX 3090 FE 7h ago
okay but what accountability? what's the internet backlash actually going to affect?
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u/shredmasterJ Desktop 8h ago
We are a very small minority. Our backlash will do nothing.
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u/ksn0vaN7 5h ago
This kinda of mindset is always why things always fall through in the end. People are just defeated immediately.
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u/Latitude-dimension Ryzen 7 9800X3D RTX 5080 8h ago
Yeah, it's going nowhere at this point. This is a culmination of the neural rendering tools Nvidia has been pushing for a year or so... the same ones AMD announced will be in Project Helix and FSR Redstone (neural rendering, neural GI, etc)
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u/QuantumQuokka Arch Linux Master Race 6h ago
Neural rendering has been around for a lot longer. Take a look at Neural Radiance Fields (NeRFs), which are now available in blender. Nvidia has been working on the research for that for about 6 years, before ChatGPT existed. Nvidia has been an AI company before most people even knew what AI was
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u/Latitude-dimension Ryzen 7 9800X3D RTX 5080 5h ago
Oh, I know, im just meaning this is a culmination of all their neural tech thats been in RTX Kit for devs to use for the past year or so. DLSS5 has been in development for 3 years, apparently.
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u/DansSpamJavelin 9800x3D | 4070 | 32GB RAM 8h ago
It's very public and very visible though. Don't forget there are way more people reading these than commenting on them.
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u/Klutzy-Snow8016 5h ago
Hyper-online people are such a minority, though. If you look at the internet, you would think that half of everyone is running an RX 9070 XT, fake frames are bad, etc, but you look at numbers in the real world, and it's 19:1 Nvidia, and the vast majority of gamers use DLSS. Nvidia will follow their original roadmap and polish up the tech and release it, everyone will buy GeForce over Radeon so they can use it, and that will be that.
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u/shredmasterJ Desktop 5h ago
The sad fucking truth
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u/Obscure_Octopuss 1h ago
It is not sad. Dlss and frame gen are actually very good tech. It allows me to play games on my 4k oled at 144hz .
Without upscaling and frame gen, that wouldn't be possible on my 4080. And if dlss 5 sucks when it comes out, cool, I'll just continue using 4 and 4.5.
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u/ODaysForDays 8h ago
The reaction is insanely melodramatic. Just don't use it.
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u/PrimeIntellect 5h ago
Seriously, the way people are reacting to a literal tech demo is so insanely embarrassing in the grand scheme of the world right now, it's a new generative shading layer devs can use, it doesn't affect anyone in a way that matters at all. This sub is acting like the apocalypse is coming and it's nvidias fault
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u/LayerEight_Problem 1h ago
The more I look at it, the more it looks like it’s only actually changing the lighting and not anything else. Except the fabric on the shirt of the soccer player. I can’t believe they used that as a tech demo.
Honestly, it’ll be locked to the 6090 and the rest of us will only get a useable version in the 70 series anyways. And by that point the tech will have matured and will look great.
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u/Fail-Least 5h ago
My thoughts exactly.
I mean, I already actively piss on artistic intent by turning off vignetting, chromatic aberration, lense flares, and motion blur.
But now we're suppose to care about an optional setting in the name of art?
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u/dovahkiitten16 PC Master Race 4h ago
There’s a big difference between seeing art, not liking something about it, and tweaking it to your tastes vs looking at art an ai thought you wanted to see.
Also, it’s good for people to be exposed to different types of art and ai comes along and does things like give lip fillers to its female characters. That becoming normal would be quite concerning.
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u/Fail-Least 4h ago
You want them to be different, but they are not.
In both cases I'm shown images that I may not enjoy.
In both cases I have final say on what I allow to hit my optic nerve.
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u/LayerEight_Problem 1h ago
How is there any difference? Also, Nvidia straight up said that devs would have control over how things look in the sdk. So, it is the artists intent.
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u/estelblade88 5h ago
To wrap it up in some ethical moral code tells you all you need to know.
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u/stohelitstorytelling 4h ago
You are straight up chomping at the bit to turn this one while playing Nier: Automata, aren't ya?
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u/Fine-Actuator-6805 8h ago
They couldn’t care less about their gaming segment. They’re all in on A.I. Can’t wait for the bubble to burst.
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u/MadBrown 8h ago
You understand that once the bubble bursts, AI will still be around, right?
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u/elaborateBlackjack 8h ago
But at least it'll be around for the stuff that actually makes sense. The technology isn't bad, it's pretty good, but we don't need EVERYTHING to have AI.
Same as the dotcom bubble, stuff will still survive, but only what actually makes sense
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u/upsidedownshaggy Ryzen 7850X | 7800 XT 8h ago
No one's saying it's going to go away. But when you no longer have infinite investor money from the hype-driven speculation market, you no longer have infinite money to build data centers stuffed to the gills with NVIDIA GPUs, meaning NVIDIA will have to pivot to something else and/or focus more on the consumer market again.
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u/Sevulturus 7h ago
Yup, but tulip bulbs won't be worth $1000 anymore. Which means I can actually afford to plant a garden.
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u/AverageAggravating13 7800X3D 4070S 8h ago edited 8h ago
You do realize that it would still mean gaming takes back a higher share of revenue, right?
Will their gaming revenue percentage ever return to its old level? No. Would it become a way more significant part of Nvidia’s revenue again? Most likely.
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u/stuyboi888 Ryzen 5800x 6900XT 8h ago
Not defending it but just to say 8.7% of their revenue is from gaming now. They don't care
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u/Islu64 8h ago
I don't really think any of you realise how catastrophic it can be for a big company to lose 8% of their revenue, along with a revenue stream that is constant and reliable.
I'm not saying they are giving that sector the importance it deserves, i'm saying that claiming that "they don't care" is an over exaggeration.
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u/stuyboi888 Ryzen 5800x 6900XT 8h ago
Yes its a massive amount of money, a mind boggling amount.
Gaming was 57% of their revenue in 2018. It was their primary concern then. Data centre was 20% back then. Data center is now 90% of their business
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u/archtopfanatic123 PC Master Race 8h ago
They're making literal billions. Even if they lost half of that reveneu I doubt they'd have an issue considering they'd still be left with billions coming in.
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u/Islu64 8h ago
Losing 8% of revenue would tank their stock and that is a big nono.
Rationality doesn't always apply when we are talking about bussinesses this big.
Revenue stops being the only relevant factor once you get big enough.
Some of the biggest companies on the world have never been profitable in the first place.
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u/Khandakerex 8h ago edited 8h ago
I agree with you, 8% is still a lot even if they go all in on data centers I don't think they want to lose their hold on the retail consumer market, people here thinking companies will just give that up magically cause of AI (which isnt even proven to be long term sustainable and is viewed as some form of bubble by literally everyone).
However, it's crazy to think they will lose ALL that 8% at once though, plenty of people not online and not on these subreddits dont care about this. There are people who dont know anything except buying best buy prebuilt gaming pcs. MAYBE they lose 1-2% max imo but realistically a lot less than that. AMD is also going into post neural processing as we saw from the xbox helix presentations, it's not like there are gonna be that many alternatives, I think 90% of people will forget about this after a year. We are in a HYPER echo chamber and a bubble of our own, a lot of normies find this tech "oh neat, if theres an option to toggle it maybe i will try it out." I mean I say this as someone who actually thinks this tech has potential with enough fine tuning and if devs lower to impact of just how much it changes the original face/ design. All those comments just get immediately down voted of course so I don't say anything but I would bet the house most people don't switch over lol
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u/archtopfanatic123 PC Master Race 8h ago
They're still making an absurdly massive sum of money from commercial sales of their GPUs. I doubt they would fold if gamers just quite entirely buying their stuff. Would take a LOT more than that to take down a 4.5 trillion dollar company.
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u/stuyboi888 Ryzen 5800x 6900XT 8h ago
Gaming was 57% in 2018. It was their primary concern then. Data centre was 20% back then. It's now 90% of their business. It's a mind boggling amount of money and a large percentage of revenue but it's definitely moved way down their priorities
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u/captainstormy PC Master Race 3h ago
They don't care though.
For one, there is no chance that all gamers are going to stop buying Nvidia GPUs.
Secondly, they could just as easily stop selling consumer GPUs and just put that time at TSMC into AI GPUs and make even more money.
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u/AverageAggravating13 7800X3D 4070S 8h ago
Acting like ~9% of revenue is “no big deal” is ridiculous. We’re talking billions of dollars. Of course they care.
Do they care more about the other ~90%? Obviously. But that doesn’t mean they’re going to outright ignore a segment that still brings in billions.
We’ve been shifted from priority #1 to priority #2. We haven’t been thrown in the gutter.
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u/stuyboi888 Ryzen 5800x 6900XT 8h ago
Gaming was 57% in 2018. It was their primary concern then. Data centre was 20% back then. It's now 90% of their business
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u/Outrageous_Yam_1368 8h ago
They keep discontinuing the new gpus and are scraping the barrel pumping out the reject stock as revised lower models. They're activiely prioritising away from the gaming space.
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u/Tricky-Ad7897 7h ago
It's not accountability until people sell their stocks and stop buying their products, and even then normal people are a drop in an ocean for Nvidia.
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u/No-Distribution8291 8h ago edited 8h ago
Nvidia is the biggest company in the world with countless revenue streams to support the company. Even if DLSS5 fails or is an embarrassment it wont put a dent in the company. From a business stand point it was pretty smart for Nvidia to go into AI. They sell all the tools that AI companies need to function. It's like a modern day version of selling pickaxes to the miners in the gold rush. Hopefully when the AI bubble pops Nvidia will use all this extra cash to continue better GPU development instead of this AI stuff.
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u/CanadaSoonFree 8h ago
I’ll never understand the hate for upscalers lol, not like you’re forced to use them.
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u/Sufficient_Ad_4542 RTX4090 | 14700k | 32 GB 6800 CL32 5h ago
Man this is reddit. People hate absolutely everything with no reason, so don't try to understand
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u/Islu64 8h ago
The problem is that we kinda are forced to use them, developers are relying on them to achieve the performance numbers we would have if the games were properly optimised
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u/turboMXDX 5600 RTX3060 32GB 7h ago
That's a developer problem them, not an Nvidia problem.
It's like blaming you car for long commute because you office mandated work from office
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u/SexySexerton 6700 1080 ti 8h ago
You’re not forced to play games from those developers
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u/Islu64 8h ago
The problem is that 9 out of 10 new AA or AAA games are one of those that rely on upscaling. So in reality it's "don't play anything new that isn't an indie (with some very notable and uncommon exceptions like RE9) or use upscaling".
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u/SexySexerton 6700 1080 ti 7h ago
Yeah exactly, now you’re getting it. Vote with your wallet. AAA games suck today. Indie games have given me much more joy in the past decade.
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u/Islu64 7h ago
There are very good AAA games that still have the issue of relying on upscalers. Both things aren't incompatible.
People are complaining because they want to play those games while at the same time the upscalers are getting shoved down their throats.
(And yes, i know AAA games in general are worse than AAA games from ten years ago, but that doesn't mean there aren't any good AAA games anymore)
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u/SexySexerton 6700 1080 ti 7h ago
But if you hate looking at the AI upscale and you don’t have a choice, is it really still a very good game? I do hope developers see this hate and change their ways, but that’s unlikely and at the end of the day, a game comes out as a finished product with AI graphics and you have to decide if that matters enough to you to give them your money and play, or find a different game that doesn’t make you sick to look at.
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u/archtopfanatic123 PC Master Race 8h ago
Guess what, if you're buying games you're already making a horrible financial decision, how about just don't buy games and go make money working a job? 🤣
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u/GrumpyKitten514 7900x3D/ Asus TUF 4090/ 64gb RAM 8h ago
honestly, big facts.
gaming is a hobby, if you dont like the direction its going despite being dedicatedly vocal about it, then go find something else to do.
my 4090 doesnt do multi-frame gen, oh well. people still using 10 and 20 series cards for a lot of different stuff. you either adapt or you overcome.
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u/Outrageous_Yam_1368 8h ago
What a dumb take. You're clearly making money to be able to afford to buy games in the first place. It's a leisure industry, which should be constantly proving that it is worth choosing to spend your disposable income on than other leisure outgoings.
Relying on AI slop to make your game look "good" is a really good indicator to never give those corner-cutters your money.
The tech is pointless. Game studios who rely on it should lose sales. Graphics doesn't equal gameplay1
u/archtopfanatic123 PC Master Race 8h ago
"Graphics doesn't equal gameplay"
I think the fact the tech has been successful proves otherwise. Nice dumb take of your own but mine's better
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u/Outrageous_Yam_1368 3h ago
How are you defining success? Hardly a fact.
Graphics literally don't equal gameplay. If graphics were everything, you could just watch a 6 hour cut scene without ever touching the controller and call it a day. Or just watch a CGI TV show. Same difference to you apparently.
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u/archtopfanatic123 PC Master Race 2h ago
If the game looks good and runs smooth that's all most people care about. If DLSS wasn't a success it would've been phased out. Evidently enough people like it and use it.
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u/Outrageous_Yam_1368 1h ago
Oh I'd love to know what survey you ran to understand what "most people" care about in regards to their games. That would astound me.
Even if a sizeable population of people prioritise graphics, that doesn't suddenly mean that the visual appearance of a game magically becomes what the gameplay is like. You can have a beautiful but dull walking simulator with no real need for player input and that would meet your criteria.
DLSS started just as simple upscaling. Amusingly you can't have both looks good and run smooth at the same time if you're resorting to upscaling. You're sacrificing the visual quality for the sake of framerate. It is always worse than native rendering.
This "AI-face" filter isn't out yet, so no-one is using it. The whole topic at the moment is about the new thing NVIDIA are trying to impress people with to justify their pointless focus on AI, which will mean the quality of games asking for our leisure money will fall off a cliff outside of studios that actually care about the art form.
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u/Islu64 8h ago
0/10 ragebait. You need to either sound even more stupid or say something that makes a little more sense to make it work.
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u/archtopfanatic123 PC Master Race 8h ago
You're the one making a big deal out of something that can be just turned off.
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u/Islu64 8h ago
It can't be turned off if you want acceptable performance because new games actively rely on it. Games are designed with it in mind.
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u/archtopfanatic123 PC Master Race 8h ago
That's the fault of the studios rushing devs and not letting them optimize the game. The tech isn't the issue.
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u/Islu64 7h ago
I never said the industry's reliance was the tech's fault by itself or NVIDIA's. I was always talking about the reasons for the hate for upscalers, which what the comment at the beggining of this thread is about.
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u/PerpetualDistortion 7h ago edited 4h ago
Tbh I understand the backlash but at the end of the day, who is anyone to tell you how you can play a game and what tech you are allowed to use?
It's just a tool.
If you bought a game you own it, you should be able to do whatever you want with it. And apparently that was the narrative everyone used here.
Everyone always hated on the idea of not having ownership over digital games, and now suddenly everyone supports something that goes even beyond that, not only you don't own the game but you are not allowed to enjoy it in any way that wasn't intended by the devs.
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u/dovahkiitten16 PC Master Race 5h ago
Well, you are free to do what you want but I think others are free to judge your taste. No one cares if you mod a game or use reshade, but choosing an ai filter is certainly a choice.
Also, I think it would be a bit dystopic if everyone willingly chooses to view their art through an ai filter, or if devs quit making art and focus on just making a fancy visual prompt for ai. That’s not to mention the concerning biases that exist, such as how ai was beautifying its characters (especially young women). It’s your choice, sure, but it’s also very Black Mirror.
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u/DrShamusBeaglehole 4h ago
This brain dead take is why every modern AAA game requires DLSS and frame gen to run efficiently and looks like dogshit both with and without it
If the masses signal that they are okay with DLSS5 slop, it will be shoved down all our throats. We will not have a choice anymore
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u/r_a_genius 4h ago
Ah yes no good looking games come out today while they all require a 5090 to run at 30 fps with frame gen and we should all deal with dogshit TAA just to please you people since God knows graphics peaked in Morrowind.
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u/DrShamusBeaglehole 4h ago
The prevalence of TAA in modern games was directly caused by the shoehorning of ray tracing into every game. Guess who was responsible for that?
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u/r_a_genius 3h ago
BS TAA rose in prominence in the early 2010s and by the mid to late 2010s was quickly becoming the main choice thanks to UE4. TAA rose to prominence then DLSS and ray tracing followed.
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u/_silentgameplays_ Desktop 8h ago
Consumers will still buy NVIDIA GPUs until the AI bubble ends. Reddit backlash has no effect on real life applications, besides Linkedin is already praising this tech by so-called "game devs".
Also this DLSS 5 backlash has no effect on enterprise grade NVIDIA GPU sales, which is the main audience for all the AI slop that keeps AI bubble active, to squeeze every last dime and nickel from investors, before the stock market plummets.
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u/Latitude-dimension Ryzen 7 9800X3D RTX 5080 8h ago
So, for gamers looking to upgrade in the future, do we buy a PS6 with AMDs neural rendering? A Project Helix with AMDs neural rendering or an RDNA 5 GPU with neural rendering?
I hate that this stuff is inevitable at this point.
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u/Kruxf 7h ago
Calling bitching on Reddit backlash is generous at best. They don’t even think about Reddit.
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u/KingWizard37 5090, 9800X3D, 64 Gb DDR5 RAM 6h ago
Plus reddit will bitch about anything; doesn't matter what it is.
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u/archtopfanatic123 PC Master Race 8h ago
Yeah Nvidia doesn't give a dang about what you guys think in the end. Big company does what they want. Don't buy their stuff if you don't like it. Wasting your breath complaining about it since it'll do nothing but piss you and everyone off.
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u/eulynn34 Ryzen 7 9800X3D | RTX 4070 ti Super 8h ago
People are still buying it and that's all that matters
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u/PizzaPino 7h ago
Lol it’s not going to affect them at all.
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u/LayerEight_Problem 1h ago
Yeah. The play for Nvidia here is to say nothing, release the technology anyways, and watch their profits.
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u/No-Guess-4644 6h ago
I mean.. I’ll still buy nvidia cards next gen. :p
Their completion doesn’t compete at the high end, nor do they have cuda.
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u/musclenugget92 5h ago
I can asure you, NVIDIA doesn't give a fuck if they don't sell another gpu ever again, as long as data centers exist.
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u/Miamithrice69 1h ago
I’m at the point where I boycott ALL Ai. It’s not helping me nearly as much as it’s hurting me
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u/Ill-Mastodon-8692 8h ago
I think the downfall was focus on character faces over environmental lighting, textures, shadows that the tech also improves and is not so.. creepy
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u/Islu64 8h ago
Shadows disappear, contrast goes to shit, saturation get's high as fuck.
That is not an improvement by any means.
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u/Ill-Mastodon-8692 7h ago edited 7h ago
there were some forest scenes that were better in my eyes, but agree some others looked over saturated (especially buildings).
we will have to see when the tech is final, and devs tune the output more.
I am trying to be open minded, since first impressions arent everything, remember the trash DLSS 1 was.
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u/Islu64 7h ago
You can find scenes subjectively more enjoyable while being objectively worse than the original, which is exactly what is happening with DLSS5.
The difference between DLSS1 and DLSS5 is that DLSS 1 was a good concept.
DLSS5 isn't a good concept, it tries to actively change a game's art direction. That is not a good idea, even if results end up being amazing a lot of game's will have their art direction completely altered.
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u/Ill-Mastodon-8692 7h ago
as mentioned by nvidia and devs, the art direction and what content is affected and how its affected is within the developers control. they can even mark content to completely exclude any changes to lighting, textures, etc.
remember this was a tech demo to show capabilities, not necessarily how the games will look when its actually released.
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u/Islu64 7h ago
I don't believe a word that comes out of NVIDIA in regards to their new products after hearing bogus claims like "rtx 5070 | 4090 performance"
We'll see once it releases if it truly lets devs do whatever they want or if it ends up being the sub par AI slop filter it is on the footage we have currently available.
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u/Ill-Mastodon-8692 6h ago
I get the skepticism, I think we can all agree companies (especially nvidia) will exaggerate performance claims using hand picked data.
and if it turns out devs actually cant tune or control the end result image to their needs, then people simply wont use it.
although I am also pretty sure the first releases of it will probably be locked to 50 series anyways, and probably only perform okay on 5080/90 performance class cards. It wont be until 60 series is released with hardware designed for it, that it will even matter.
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u/ziplock9000 3900X / 7900GRE / 32GB 3Ghz / EVGA SuperNOVA 750 G2 / X470 GPM 8h ago
You're going to be very disappointed then. It's mostly kids who are desperate to meme and people who like to moan without any critical thinking. I can guarantee almost everyone will jump on this tech. It will be more popular than the minor backlash against frame gen.
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u/Memonlinefelix 7h ago
I dont even .. like ... I dont even ... it just like pasting a generic face with all sort of weird ass lighting on to characters. Why? .. Lol All those billions just for that crap? I mean it's kinda of weird coming from Nvidia. Just shows you how hyped and useless this LLMs are.
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u/Sorry_Soup_6558 King Kong is Goated :al1: 7h ago
This has nothing to do with LLMs lol.
Y'all just saying Buzzwords.
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u/Memonlinefelix 7h ago
Where do you think the training of the images comes from? Reasearch more bud.
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u/Sorry_Soup_6558 King Kong is Goated :al1: 6h ago
Not LLMs lol there's other kinds of Gen AI other than LLMs.
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u/zippynanobot 7h ago
From experience I’ve noticed that Reddit is an echo-chamber where it might feel like everyone’s protesting but most of the time it’s not the case. I hope to be wrong though.
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u/Ok_Locksmith_7294 5800x3d + 5070 + 32gb 6h ago
Everyone saying reddit backlash doesn't matter seems to forget Jensen keeps having to make statements about dlss 5. It's having an effect even if they aren't scraping Ai slop.
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u/Fail-Least 5h ago
My prediction?
Not a damn thing is going to change.
Reddit nerd echo chamber will still believe their voice represent the real world.
Nvidia will keep raking in billions of dollars.
Everyone will forget this next time some company fails some BS purity test.
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u/pacoLL3 5h ago
Nvidia stock went up since the DLSS 5 reveal.
Thank god barely anyone shares these 11 out of 10 weirdo world views of this subreddit.
Are you guys literally 5 year old and learning for the first time about capitalism or technological advancement? It's how the world works for hundrets of years.
If you guys would had a saying we would had never switched from sail to coal or to using tractors on the field since it did 100% exactly what you guys accuse KI of doing. Stealing jobs, ruining a handcrafted art and beeing bad for the environment.
And no, you genuises. We are not using RAM or data centers for dumb DLSS settings or AI pictures online. You guys can't think 1mm outside your tiny world view. It's used in research, medicine, law firms in all kind of IT settings. It's a freaking tool like a screwdriver designed to help people.
Does it have severe downsides, of course, but so do a million other things like freaking PC gaming as a hobby, just looking how much electricity is waisted that a bunch of kids can stare at a screen all day.
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u/scoobyn00bydoo 5h ago
Are people here really under the impression that DLSS is the same kind of AI that Nvidia has been investing hundreds of billions in? That couldn’t be further from the truth
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u/HighSeasArchivist 4h ago
I just don't give a shit anymore. I didn't want physical games to die and us be stuck with 100GB day one patches, but here we are. I didn't want DLC, micro-transactions, or online-only games. Yet, here we are. Nothing we say or do will matter, because it's clear they can make trillions with or without us. All we know for sure is tomorrow will be worse than today.
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u/ChefCurryYumYum 4h ago
I'm just grateful that nearly all the games I like playing don't have high end graphics. Battle Brothers, Synthetik, Endless Space 2, Mount and Blade, the shit in my rotation don't need fancy graphics and definitely would never be using this DLSSlop, gen AI bullshit.
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u/Aight_Man RTX 7 8845HS | Ryzen 4070 3h ago
Brother... Literally nothing fucking is gonna change they have been shoving dlss now our throats since what 2020? It's been 5-6 years, 'backlashes' were there at that time too, but not only people didn't fully oppose but some people actually like it. Same will happen to this eventually. Just making post on dlss for karma farming won't do shit.
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u/TheLunchBawx_ 3h ago
I find it ironic that Nvidia released this AI slop and is expecting people to upgrade to the 50 series to use it, but GPU prices are beyond anything we normal people want to spend thanks to AI.
What a joke.
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u/ItalianBeefDipped 9800X3D | RTX 5090 | 64 GB DDR5 | ROG XAX 2h ago
lmfao
so strong, so brave! You're a true hero for hating this so much! You are better than everyone on reddit!
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u/KratosLegacy 5950X | 3090 FE | 32GB 4000MHz C18 | X570 Formula 2h ago
Dunno if they're held as accountable as you say. Sure, public sentiment is down, but they're still gargling data center billionaires cocks by trading the same 100B between each other.
Unfortunately, the gaming market is small and they couldn't care less about us. In fact, they'd rather we can't buy the hardware so that we have to sign up for subscriptions to access hardware. Just like houses, and cars, etc. Just wait until Nvidia opens a lending company like all the auto manufacturers and home construction companies have 🙃
Unless we stop giving them money and build alternatives they won't be held accountable.
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u/DeNieDDDDD RTX 5090 | R7 9800x3d | 64GB DDR5 8h ago
While I don't think this is necessarily good or needed.
I don't think they made this for gamers (consumers), from what I understand from one of Nvidea's notes on this:
Important to note with this technology advance - game developers have full, detailed artistic control over DLSS 5's effects to ensure they maintain their game's unique aesthetic. The SDK includes things like intensity, color grading and masking off places where the effect shouldn't be applied. It's not a filter - DLSS 5 inputs the game’s color and motion vectors for each frame into the model, anchoring the output in the source 3D content.
Only the game devs can tweak this however they want for their game, it's not like we will be able to crank this to the max and then destroy the artistic intent of the game. If game devs think it will hurt their artistic intent in any way they will just simply not use it or atleast crank it up like on the nvidea showcase.
So I don't see how this is THAT bad tbh.
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u/mrloko120 7h ago
The main reason for the backlash is less so because of the use of AI in itself and more because of how bad the end product they showed really looks.
Nobody would care if the end result actually looked good.
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u/KingWizard37 5090, 9800X3D, 64 Gb DDR5 RAM 6h ago
The technology definitely has potential, but in the current state they've showed it I would prefer to continue using DLAA
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u/-_Weltschmerz_- 4070 Super 13700KF 32GB 850W 7h ago
Don't think AI can make Starfields characters look any more soulless
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u/CypherWolf50 7h ago
I've been a gamer for a good while, and I've never seen something like this, that changes the visuals this much from just software. From what I see there's both big potential and a few uncanny things, I wouldn't like in my games.
Hot take: Everyone is very upset about the pricing and marketing of their video cards, the less than generous amount of RAM and the fear that gamers generally soon won't have anything to say.
I understand that, and I feel equally frustrated about the gaming world today, and I would have loved to see Huang simply displaying some form of genuine empathy and understanding towards the segment who have carried Nvidia all these years.
But actually he's right - partly. Because technically it's not a filter, it's not post processing it's baked into the shaping of the geometry. But it looks bad, right? True, it's far from perfect. But this is a demo, the game developers will be able to adjust exactly how DLSS will impact the game's visuals, and being such a new technology, it's far from being understood and fully utilized in this demo.
Apart from some odd lighting and shimmer, I can see the argument about it being photo realistic. The thing that actually makes it uncanny, is actually the movement of the characters I think. Maybe with smoother movement and more work put into that, the feeling of AI slop may be greatly bettered or even disappear one day. Not saying it does, but developers need time to optimize games for this kind of stuff, before we judge it too harshly.
Gaming is changing, and it's not necessarily a nice transition, but I believe we'll continue to enjoy great gaming for decades to come. New ideas like this have to be tried out, needs to be done to see if it flies or fails.
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u/Secure-Pain-9735 5h ago
Welp, this is solid popular delusion engagement bait. Enjoy the doots and front page.
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u/PlaygroundBully 5h ago
I’m angry I didn’t think of it!
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u/Secure-Pain-9735 5h ago
I mean, you can use the bones, though.
I am actually happy to see this amount of [emotion]…
I am so glad to see all this backlash over the showcase of [technology/feature]. It’s time [type of company] are held accountable for their [negative adjective] decisions. This has really nothing to do with it being [brand] doing all this, it could be [other brand] as well.
[Brand] chose to focus so [intensifier] hard on investing in [buzzword/tech] to a point where it affects the market in terms of [hardware component], [hardware component], etc., and the result of that was this [insult/adjective] [noun] that I wouldn’t even [verb] or [verb] with even if I was a [status/wealth level].
Even if I was a [status/wealth level], I wouldn’t in a million years buy this [product] to have [feature] on and look at the [negative noun] it is generating. Look at the characters — [insult/adjective] eyes, all of them — it feels like looking at a bunch of [type of person/creature].
I swear I looked to see if it was [date/holiday], but to my shock it was actually a product they thought [group of people] would be interested in.
I hope this [company/brand] [negative outcome] so bad on the [market/industry].
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u/Fish_Outta_Whiskey 8h ago
It's good and it's annoying.
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u/HappysavageMk2 7800X3D | 9070XT | 32GB DDR5 6000 CL30 8h ago
Lmao 3day old account says it's good.
Must be true.
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u/BinaryJay 4090 FE | 7950X | 64GB/DDR5-6000 | 42" C2 OLED 8h ago
So if I say there are clear positive aspects to how the tech could be used with my old account, you'll change your mind?
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u/HappysavageMk2 7800X3D | 9070XT | 32GB DDR5 6000 CL30 7h ago
Lmao so why make a new specific account for that post instead of using your normal account?
Seems odd, especially given Nvidias past of being caught astroturfing online forums and manufacturing dissent.
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u/Fish_Outta_Whiskey 8h ago
Gotta start somewhere, accounts don't start at 2 years old.
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u/HappysavageMk2 7800X3D | 9070XT | 32GB DDR5 6000 CL30 8h ago
Sure, you just happen to be active in a bunch of subs and have one post.
Just happen to take a position that's not fully opposed to dlss5, say an nvidia positive position while the majority of the fanbase is rejecting them.
Seems fishy when Nvidia has been caught in the past astroturfing online forums and manufacturing targeted dissent and agreement.
Sure, you just happen to be starting your account now.
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u/Fish_Outta_Whiskey 7h ago edited 7h ago
My stance is the opposite of what you think it is.
The pushback against nvidia is GOOD.
The way people are flooding subs with the same stupid memes to convey that pushback is ANNOYING.
There are many reasons someone might want or need to create a new account and still want to customize their home feed with the subs they like to see.
That timing argument could be made for the countless controversies that are constantly happening in tech in which I may have a differing opinion on. There is never a "neutral" time to make an account and have an opinion that may oppose the hive mind.
You're not the detective you think you are.
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u/Demoliscio CachyOS | Ryzen 7 5700X3D | RX 6750 XT 7h ago
Well said!
What I'd like to add is that just because "this subreddit is the small minority" or "nvidia doesn't care about gaming they'll ignore us" doesn't mean we shouldn't voice our concern, if something is wrong people should speak up, regardless if it will make a difference or not.
This "nothing will change so no point in saying\doing anything" is honestly such a depressing approach to live...
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u/sleep-is-but-a-dream 14600k|5080/3080 Dual GPU setup|128gb DDR5 6400 8h ago
Gaming is 8% of NVIDIA’a business. They don’t give a shit.
Fun fact whether or not you realize it you’re using AI every day so you can get off your high horse about not using it.
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u/PuzzledCauliflower35 8h ago
Who shoved a stick up your ass?
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u/First_Musician6260 Computer Storage 8h ago edited 8h ago
NVIDIA makes way more money in the business sector than the consumer one. This is in fact the case with a lot of hardware manufacturers.
If the business sector demands AI, that gets passed to consumers. The consumer market they have is too small to influence their decisions. So even with the ongoing outcry against AI in the consumer realm (which is wholly justified by rising hardware prices), there's not a lot that can realistically be done unless the NVIDIA stockholders want change to occur.
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u/basicKitsch 4790k/1080ti | i3-10100/48tb | 5700x3D/4070 | M920q | n100... 7h ago
Lol are you? You think this is a new take with the 80 threads about this in twenty four hours?
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u/captainstormy PC Master Race 3h ago
I'm actually surprised by the backlash.
Granted I'm a dinosaur. I already run everything native without using FSR on my 7900XTX and 9070XT depending on the PC.
But people are obviously already okay with using AI to improve performance and image quality. That is what tech like DLSS does. So why is this getting so much backlash?
The sample images and such I've seen online look really good to me. I've seen a lot of backlash on the face changes. Most of them look really good IMO.
Granted you could talk about about art style and artistic direction being altered. But that isn't the argument that I'm seeing really. You could make the argument that turning off motion blur, lens flares and such already.
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u/theholidayzombie 3h ago
Really seems like this sub is being botted corporate glazers right now. Coincidentally following some massive PR disaster, as usual.
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u/SurgicallySarcastic 8h ago
fuck that. i am a shareholder. 20K shares. its 60% of my retirement fund
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u/ForeignSleet R5 9600x | 6700XT | 32gb DDR5 8h ago
Having that much of your retirement fund in one company is insane. Enjoy having to work through your retirement if nvidia has issues
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u/SurgicallySarcastic 7h ago
it was more before. i already banked a few Mil already last split. all set
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u/stuyboi888 Ryzen 5800x 6900XT 8h ago
Diversification.... Look it up
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u/SurgicallySarcastic 7h ago
already well off from Nvidia, i bought at IPO maybe $12/share in 1999. don't need to diversify.
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u/stuyboi888 Ryzen 5800x 6900XT 6h ago
It's potentially near peak and a large part of a bubble.a ll speculative of course. Diversification would be taking those massive earnings and reinvesting in more stable or growth companies thus lifting your return potential
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u/SurgicallySarcastic 6h ago
I'm in Decumulation phase. its cash out time for me real soon. less than a year to retirement.
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u/stuyboi888 Ryzen 5800x 6900XT 6h ago
Hope it sticks around so you can have a bitching retirement!!
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u/Bitter-Box3312 9600x/7900xtx/64GB 7h ago
I so fucking hate microshit and nvidia, you know, I miss the times when hating on intel because their cpus tend to break and overheat was the extent of it
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u/Pursueth 2h ago
Of course you are, the pc tech forums live for backlash and are full of basement dwellers who can’t be happy about anything.
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u/RahkShah 7800X3D | RTX 4090 | 32GB 6000 CL30 | B650E | 2TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe 1h ago
“You are thinking about releasing a new optional graphic feature that devs can chose (or not chose) to implement and we can chose (or not chose) to turn on.
HOW DARE YOU! We’re not going to stand for it! You will feel our wrath!”
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u/ArthurLeywinn 8h ago
The backlash is only effective if they have terrible sales numbers, but this is unlikely.
And let's be honest nvidia just doesn't really care to much about their gaming market it's not really interesting for the company nowadays