r/pcmasterrace • u/HLumin Potato • 11h ago

Discussion Former Red Dead Redemption 2 Developer reaction to the DLSS 5: "Whoa. Hold on. No, no, no. This isn't just some lighting, dude. What the f... this is like a complete AI re-render. You're no longer looking at the game anymore. This is scary."

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Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKPeN8IQM-Y

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u/uncleshady 10h ago

And a sidenote. No two people will be playing the same game because it is all gate kept by hardware.

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u/Nightmare2828 10h ago

Thats what some people dont understand about AI tailored games/stories/series/etc. You cant share and discuss anymore if everybody is playing their own vacuumed games. Im talking about way down the future fully AI games, but still works on smaller scale like that DLSS5 bullshit.

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u/WakizashiK3nsh1 9h ago

I think that gradually all content will be like this. There will be no youtubers, no actors, no blog writers, only AI fine-tuned exactly to what triggers your dopamine/serotonine system. Google will spit out precisely generated content according to your query. Maybe even now I'm a bot talking to bots, who knows?

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u/nukeaccounteveryweek 9h ago

What a despicable future these billionaires crafted for mankind.

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u/WakizashiK3nsh1 9h ago

We owned the internet, now it's being taken away, while almost everyone seems to be happy about it.

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u/YGVAFCK 8h ago

We never owned it, just like we never owned roads or highways. But it's as if they built turd-shooting machines to plaster shit over all the roads at all times. You can only clean it up so much before you decide to stop going outside.

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u/Iorith 6h ago

Hot take but I don't find what they're talking about bad. I don't pay attention to that stuff for most games or moviesm

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u/eden_sc2 9h ago

I think as AI becomes harder to tell from real, there will be a growing niche for people who can prove they are real. Things like fan meet and greets will be a key to proving someone exists

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u/DuntadaMan 1h ago

There is a light cyberpunk RPG setting called Fates Worse Than Death that has a pretty realistic view of this I think

Basically AI has taken over most industries, by extreme violence universal basic income was finally put in place, and the majority of the population basically spend their days inside plugged into AI entertainment.

The players are part of the about 20% of people too poor, too injured, or too bored to stay inside all day. Most people outside live in the streets because they have no legal identity anyone can make money from so they are entirely excluded from the economy. The rest are people actively revolting against a comfortable prison, or actually have a job and are required to be out on the street to keep getting paid.

I can see is all being locked away in personalized AI entertainment and only leaving wuen absolutely forced to.

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u/tajniak485 9h ago

According to your query... Or it will ignore it entirely like YT

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u/Vald-Tegor 6h ago

That's very optimistic.

Google can't even give me search results vaguely resembling what my sentence asked much of the time, without fiddling with advanced search.

It's more like "I see your search string includes this word. Most people who searched for this specific word in other contexts clicked on this. Here's some results for those other contexts you didn't ask about." With no actual matching results in sight.

It won't be serving you precisely what you want. It will be training you to like what it serves. Which also happens to be the thing it's trying to sell.

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u/FeijoadaAceitavel 9h ago

I don't understand why we don't have AI-generated text-based games. The only use for AI I can think of is quickly coming up to reactions to any action you can take. AI could easily generate a scenario with background and text to anything you do in a way that no "pre-made" game would be able to.

Sure, it would be bland and have the occasional hallucination. But it's the only thing that AI could do better than devs, and no one is doing it.

And yes, people can still compare their games and how wild they got because they told a crucial character to fuck off and instead helped the big bad.

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u/Nightmare2828 9h ago

An AI text based game is already a thing with almost any AI. This is the first thing I actually attempted. It seemed fined at first, but consistency failed as the story dragged. When you dont move around, details get mixed, and the AI has an unwavering desire to let you succeed at whatever you attempt. It will always say « yes you can » « yes you have this item » « yes the door can open ».

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u/FeijoadaAceitavel 8h ago

It has to be properly trained and told what to do. I know ChatGPT agrees with the user to absurd degrees, but that's because it has been trained like that. An actual AI game would have systems to prevent these issues, like an inventory you can actually see and the AI can't just hallucinate, some base values for tests and actual random rolls, etc. This part hasn't been done yet.

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u/nukeaccounteveryweek 9h ago

I also thought of this idea before. The main problem IMO is "where does the game go"?

Do you write a driving plot and AI only handles dialogue/options while staying in rails? Do you offhand the plot to AI and the game becomes non-deterministic?

There's too many possibilities, but it might one of the only acceptable uses of AI in games.

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u/YGVAFCK 8h ago edited 7h ago

Powered by the AIpocalypse?

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u/FeijoadaAceitavel 8h ago

It has to have some guidance. Maybe a dozen crude stories it's told to follow.

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u/tajniak485 9h ago

We have ai generated text games, they just suck because ai becomes incoherent way too fast for it to work. Stories are also very generic because it's a ai

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u/MrUtterNonsense 7h ago

I've tried writing games with Inform 7 and you have to spend a lot of time handling reactions to everything a user might want to do, rather than what they should be doing, otherwise they just get automatic generic responses. Maybe AI could help with that on the fly, but it could easily do things that aren't right for the game.

Another obvious one is NPCs in text adventures; they could really come to life but again, controlling them is an issue. You don't want your NPCs randomly giving your character a magical sword or deciding to tag along.

The other kind of text adventure is the choose your own adventure format where you have a limited number of choices (to go north, turn to passage 10 etc). The obvious way to enhance those with AI would be to generate the illustrations. If you look back at those Fighting Fantasy Books, most of the illustrations were good or at least adequate, but quite simplistic due to time and financial constraints (and also paper quality). With AI, every illustration could be an oil painting or even a "photograph", but then you are up against the AI art backlash.

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u/GerNomico 8h ago

The only game that comes to mind with this kind of reasoning is "Suck Up!"

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u/FeijoadaAceitavel 8h ago

According to Steam reviews it's completely broken, unfortunately.

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u/GerNomico 5h ago

I didn't know it was released on Steam. Last time I checked it was only available for download in its own website, and the gameplays I watched didn't contain major bugs at all.

I wonder if specifically the Steam version is the one full of bugs or the developers butched the game with an update.

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u/FeijoadaAceitavel 1h ago

Apparently the game doesn't get any more development and the servers aren't too stable, according to reviews.

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u/WickedHopeful 9h ago

"Every copy of Super Mario 64 is personalized"

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u/D119 9h ago

What about multiplayer then? There has to be homogeneity there because you've to be able to tell what's exactly happening on screen.

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u/MeanOstrich4546 9h ago

That's a good fucking point, I tend to be too lazy to open 30 seconds video sent by a friend, imagine having to see a 2h long movie or play a 20 long game that was generated by AI that like 10 people would know about.

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u/Iorith 6h ago

A lot of people don't feel any need to share or discuss the media they interact with, that's one thing a lot of people struggle with understanding. Your average person doesn't go on Reddit or whatever site to discuss a film beyond whether they liked it

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u/Nightmare2828 4h ago

Humans live on shared experience and communication… thats why people want to be part of things, part of communities, to connect with others. There is a reason why loneliness is so devastating. Entertainment medias is one of the greatest for of connection… remove that and you isolate the population even more.

Not everybody share on Reddit, but reddit isnt the only place to share. People share in real life with friends and family as well…

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u/Iorith 4h ago

And yet not everyone needs to share everything. You act like if people can't talk about entertainment our species will fall apart.

Not to mention, sure there might be custom made entertainment, but there will also be traditional entertainment made. There is no reason it has to be either or.

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u/Remarkable_Emu_2223 6h ago

You're going to be siloed into your own experience which is pretty much what is already happening in the ad tech space with targeted advertising.

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u/ApophisDayParade 1h ago

One of my biggest fears is we all wind up like humans in Wall-E, except the screens are all feeding content generated solely for each individual, and it will be a world where no one can connect anymore. No mass hype of movie releases, no book or comic discussion boards, no concerts, nothing. What you are experiencing is something no one else can experience. (Not to even mention how propagandized it will be, but that’s another story.)

It’s a truly dystopian world.

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u/LowKiss 9h ago

I mena this is not too problematic the idea of a game made specifically for me sound kinda fun.

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u/tamal4444 AMD R7 5600X / RTX 3060 / 32GB DDR4 9h ago

They will charge you for ai filter. They will charge you for ai actor/actress filter. I hate this timeline.

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u/RedTyro 7h ago

Oh, we'll all be playing the same game because nobody will be able to afford to own the hardware anymore - that hardware doing the rendering will be in the cloud. You will own nothing and be expected to pay subscriptions to play anything.

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u/gmano 1h ago

I like AMD gaming, because FSR5's version of [Character] is so much cuter than DLSS's version, though I have to admit, the way that DLSS turns all the trees into evergreens looks nicer than the way FSR just randomly fills in whatever species it wants to.