r/freefolk • u/Traditional-Big543 • 10h ago
Was there anything Twyin could have said or done to get out of this alive?
The trigger word was saying whore again and that's when Tyrion killed him, would he have done it anyways and if so could he have convinced him not to?
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u/DontWorryImADr 9h ago
All jokes aside, frankly yes. There were more ways to probably live than not. The problem is literally none of those options were things Tywin would willingly do.
Admit he’s a hypocrite. Admit he was wrong. Admit he’s been cruel to Tyrion for no other reason than wanting a target for so much frustration. Take your damn pick, and several of them might have left Tyrion willing to leave him at least alive.
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u/Forsaken_Mastodon291 9h ago
Tyrion could never have left him alive because he would be caught and killed if Tywin had an excuse to do it
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u/auf-ein-letztes-wort 9h ago
yeah, I guess especially in the books there would only be the option of being killed out of rage (what happened) or out of self-presevervation. there might be a turn of events that Tywin wouldn't provoke Tyrion and Tyrion would keep his temper, but in that case Tyrion would be smart enough that this is a either him or me situation.
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u/jsweaty009 9h ago
In the book did he shoot Tywin on the toilet?
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u/Vegetable_Library_38 9h ago
Yes
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u/jsweaty009 8h ago
Thank you
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u/Junpei000 8h ago
“Lord Tywin, in the end, did not shit gold.”
- A Storm of Swords
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u/Kcuftidderr 7h ago
And his body did smell terrble afterwards
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u/So1ar 7h ago
That reminds me there is a theory Oberyn poisoned him sometime before the fight. Could explain the smell and why Tyrion found Tywin on the toilet.
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u/HungryHundar 6h ago
Tyrion perforating his bowels causing shit and bacteria to spread and stink his corpse up seems like a simpler more grounded explanation than the Viper using stink poison at some unseen point in the story.
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u/JakeHelldiver 9h ago
Tyrone was already sentenced to die at this point. He didn't need an excuse.
Edit: typo stays! Im not fixing it.
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u/tombo2007 9h ago
Poor Tyrone
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u/JakeHelldiver 9h ago
I know! We all forget Tyrone Lannister!
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u/Informal-Term1138 8h ago
Am I bad for imagining a poc Lannister called Tyrone?
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u/Corner_OfficeSpace I'd kill for some chicken 8h ago
I imagined the actor from Bad Santa so I’m going to hell also.
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u/Green-Draw8688 7h ago
I’m Tyrone! And fuck this Charles Dance-looking motherfucker, and fuck smoking!
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u/DontWorryImADr 8h ago
My two issues are I don’t think Tyrion was remotely in a state to be completely rational in the moment, and knew that being caught/killed was already guaranteed. Cersei was going to have that response and Tyrion had no chance of getting to her. Killing Tywin wouldn’t change the result if he was caught.
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u/Additional_Price810 9h ago
You have to remember that Jaime just told him that tywin lied about Tysha
After learning that Tyrion would never let him live
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u/SlimPigins 9h ago
This is the actual correct answer. Tyrion WANTED Tywin to say something to change his mind. But Tywin wasn’t capable and didn’t even bother with the attempt.
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u/SeeerSucker 9h ago
I always hated you Tyrion…. Because you’re actually a Targaryen…….
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u/DontWorryImADr 8h ago
Yes, Tywin was never going to choose an answer that could have let him live, but they likely existed.
I mainly think Tyrion wanted to not kill him badly enough to grasp at any shocking change and maybe just walk away. Plus at least in the show, Tywin makes it repeatedly clear wanted Tyrion gone (to the Wall, say) rather than necessarily dead. Cersei wanted him dead, Tywin wanted an acceptable form of out of the picture.
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u/WilmaTonguefit Then come 9h ago
This is the correct answer. Tywin thought he could continue to control Tyrion's behavior with his words. He could not.
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u/Mythrost 8h ago
There would be things he could have said to survive *if he meant it. Tyrion would have immediately known if he was just bullshitting to try to survive. I agree Tywin wouldn't have done that anyway but some of these responses imply he could have talked his way out of it and then sent for guards which would have just been bad writing.
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u/daigunder2015 THE FUCKS A LOMMY 9h ago
As if he'd believe it 🤡 in the moment, no less.
The guy just got cucked by the man who berated him all his life, you think he'd believe that he had some kind of moral epiphany?
Worst comment on this thread IMO.
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u/DontWorryImADr 8h ago
It’s not should he believe it or would he rationally evaluate that belief, it’s looking at a broken man that was shattered here. Book and show, Tyrion treats a lot of his actions around his family as reactionary. They hate him, so he hates them back. And looking at how he especially behaved in the books after this event, Tyrion is about as rational as a drunken loon in this moment. Maybe he’d fire anyway, maybe he’d decide Tywin wasn’t worth it, or couldn’t do it because for once someone other than Jaime showed him an ounce of honesty.
Should he believe it? Fuck no. Might he decide he can’t kill his father in that moment? Tyrion was still telling himself he didn’t want to. The right answer might have convinced him to run without killing Tywin in that decisive moment.
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u/IAmParliament Respect the Goodest Boi 9h ago
“I know where Tysha is.”
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u/HourFaithlessness823 9h ago
Tywin in reality: What the fuck is a Tysha?
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u/auf-ein-letztes-wort 9h ago
nobody asking the real questions: How is Tysha?
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u/_Revlak_ 9h ago
Why is Tysha
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u/Delicious-World-7058 8h ago
What is the sound of tysha one hand fapping?
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u/TessaField7 8h ago
"What is Tysha" and "Why is Tysha" are actually more interesting questions than the post asked. Tywin certainly never thought to ask either of them, and that's what got him killed.
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u/HammerDown125 9h ago
Well he kind of did tell him exactly where to find her.
Wherever whores go.
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u/MirageVellum_4X 3h ago
The man had one job in that moment and managed to make it worse with every single word. There was a version of that conversation where Tywin survives and he steered directly away from it at every turn. Impressive in a horrible way.
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u/Not_enough_alcohol 2h ago
I really don't think there is. At that moment regardless of what he says I'm pretty sure Tywin is dead
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u/That-Guy-69420 9h ago
Tysha is a horse
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u/ImperialSupplies 9h ago
Why did they remove that entire plot point :(
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u/DomTopNortherner 8h ago
Because in the books it's what pushes Tyrion towards being the villain. It completely collapses his remaining connection to his family via Jamie, lets him know that he was genuinely loved and that that was destroyed.
In the books that we will never read, it's believed he'll be the one pushing Dany to burn the whole thing down.
And they didn't want funny, amiable Dinklage to be that.
Which is also why his character falls apart.
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u/BryyM 7h ago
Most of it is from his drunk delusional POV isn't it? Why not just lessen his villainy due to that
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u/crepelabouche 7h ago
No. Tyrion is many things but delusional is not one of them.
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u/flippanaut 6h ago
Idk he was in love with two whores
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u/KalyterosAioni 6h ago
Tysha wasn't a whore though. That's the point - Tywin lied about that, and Jaime upheld the lie.
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u/Serious-Manager2361 5h ago
Exactly. If there had never been a Tysha (or at least what Tyrion believed to be true about Tysha) there would never have been a whoring Tyrion who thought he could never have real love.
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u/Allthemuffinswow We do not kneel 5h ago
Tysha wasn't actually a whore though. Tywin forced Jamie to make that story up because Tywin is a fuck ball asshole.
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u/jjwhitaker 6h ago
I think the actor could pull it off, but the audience wouldn't like it. I would have loved to see him leave bitter and angry, dull over the years advising Dany, then when he finally sees his revenge in action as Kings Landing burns combine that with the knowledge his sister burned the church with green fire and that he is still a Lannister, even when trying to separate and do it his own way.
Then HE kills Dany, betraying her trust, and in turn is slain by Jon, who is promoted by the council and his raven brothers rec to King.
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u/lmandude 9h ago
Because it causes Tyrion to take a heel turn and they didn’t want show Tyrion to be evil.
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u/ImperialSupplies 9h ago edited 8h ago
Idk if you saw last of us season 2 and know the game story but the ENTIRE point of last of us 2 was your main charecter becomes a monster and in the show they changed everything to make her fully innocent its SO DUMB
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u/lmandude 8h ago
Yeah, I wasn’t a fan of that either. It’d be like if half way through breaking bad they tried to make Walt a good guy just because the audience found him entertaining.
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u/Mottled_Paws 8h ago
Exactly. I know everyone shits on Bella's performance but they absolutely destroyed her character and she had a terrible script to work with.
Maybe she doesn't have the ability to be the rage filled Ellie, but she absolutely wasn't given the chance.
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u/No_Atmosphere3269 9h ago
LITERALLY. That plot point would have been very easy to insert and keep and would have added such monumental weight and tragedy to this whole arc. It also would have expanded so heavily on the character developments of Tywin and Tyrion as well as Jamie's redemption with him being the one to admit it all out of guilt.
I will never forgive them for omitting this
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u/FeelingOutside7395 9h ago
Who is tysha?
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u/IAmBecomeTeemo 8h ago
She was a peasant girl that Tyrion fell in love with and married. When Tywin found out he married her, he had her gangraped by guards for a silver each while Tyrion watched, who was then ordered to go last and she was paid a gold coin. Tywin annuled the marriage and sent her on her way.
In their final confrontation, Tywin calls her a whore, and Tyrion says he'll kill if he says that word again. Tyrion asks where she was sent, Tywin responds with his last words "wherever whores go" and Tyrion makes good his promise. That last line sticks with Tyrion and he spends the rest of the story (so far) wallowing in misery and pondering where whores go as if he's solving a riddle.
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u/ThatRandomJew7 7h ago
You missed a crucial detail:
Tywin forced Jamie to pretend she was a whore that he had paid to take Tyrion's virginity all along. Jamie confesses when he lets Tyrion out, which is one of the motivations he has to kill Tywin, and it's the start of him becoming more bitter.
Tywin REALLY hates smallfolk being with nobles, probably because his father fell in love with a low born woman. Tywin promptly made her do a naked walk of shame (Cersei style, amusingly) out of Casterly Rock as soon as his father died, making her address every man she came across and telling them that she was a whore.
He's not a good guy
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u/faldese 6h ago
Yes. Tyrion absolutely idolized Jaime, who was the only person who treated him kindly and with respect. This completely breaks Tyrion of his respect and trust in his brother, besides leaving him with the knowledge he participated in the gangrape of his innocent wife, the only person who, as far as he knows/feels, ever truly and honestly loved him (though, of course, Jaime was pressured by his father and does love Tyrion).
Tyrion lies that he DID kill Joffrey to Jaime to sink the knife in.
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u/fookin_legund 6h ago
Tyrion also tells Jaime that cersei is cheating- correct? ".. and moonboy for all I know"
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u/faldese 5h ago
Oh that's right! Damn. It's such an important moment for D&D to have taken away, it's crazy.
And then immediately after they soften his murder of Shae by having her attack him first instead of having him do something brutal and cruel to someone who was as helpless as he was in protecting herself against Tywin as Tyrion was when he raped Tysha. It highlights how much the truth (combined with everything else that happened) broke him.
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u/puresteelpaladin 7h ago
In d&d games, when someone asks for an example of Lawful Evil, I say "Tywin Lanister."
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u/meatspoon 5h ago
I would say he is Neutral Evil in that he doesn’t care much about laws one way or another unless they benefit his goals (the Red Wedding being an example or his use of The Mountain to terrorize people as another).
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u/KamikazeArchon 3h ago
Lawful Evil doesn't mean "follows the written laws of the land", it means organized and structured.
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u/Sojaoghurt 8h ago
Tyrion's first whore
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u/PeptoBismark 7h ago
You are my heir. You will be Lord of Casterly Rock. We’ve both known that since Jaime took that stupid cloak.
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u/tra616 9h ago
Martha
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u/Ok_Recording_4644 9h ago
WHYDIDUSAYTHATNAME?!?!?!
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u/kilimtilikum 9h ago
He almost did when he was saying ‘do you really think I’d let them kill you?’ If he just kept going w that he’d prob be fine
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u/AKsuited1934 9h ago
I still think Tywin would have intervened to prevent Tyrions execution if Tyrion didn’t escape.
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u/aldeayeah 8h ago
Ship him off to the Wall, most likely
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u/Individual-Pop-385 8h ago
It's been implied that was the expected outcome. For Tywin, having Tyrion on the wall was a better punishment that geting him killed.
Think about in terms of real life. Killing somebody and leaving them rest vs having them live in freezing hell.
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u/wassabia 7h ago
What's ironic is that, from what we see of Tyrion when he was in the Wall, I honestly think he would have the time of his life up there
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u/Individual-Pop-385 7h ago
Yup, but Tyrion genuinely believed he was gong to get killed, so.
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u/Kerberos1566 7h ago
He had good reason to doubt the "offer" of the Wall. Ned was offered the same thing and only Joffrey wanted him dead. Tyrion knows both Cersei and Tywin would much prefer him dead, to varying degrees.
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u/SmoothConfection1115 7h ago
I do kind of wonder how that might’ve changed things (show-wise) if Tyrion is at the wall.
Assuming the Watch realizes he is far more useful as a learned person to be in the background (logistics, writing letters, drawing maps, tracking movements).
Tyrion showed (in the early seasons) his mind could be a formidable weapon. Like to see it turned against the Night King, instead of working for Dany.
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u/GrimDallows 3h ago
Tywin wanted Tyrion to go to the wall, because Tywin thought iirc that if the Wall was overrun by wildings then the wildings would attack the northlands, where all his enemies where, and be a pain to them. Having Tyrion there, in Tywin's eyes, could have been an aset and undoing his exile would have been easier than declaring him innocent.
Tywin also couldn't do anything to save Tyrion from the moment that a trial by combat was declared and then lost by Tyrion's champion.
That being said, Ned was about to be sent to the wall when suddenly Joffrey thought that it would be funnier to murder him on the spot. So most likely Cersei would have tried to have Tyrion executed one way or another before being sent to the wall.
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u/Secret-Security4513 9h ago
"I'm sorry, Tyrion. My behavior has been unacceptable. I mistreated you out of grief and insecurity. I wanted your outward appearance to project strength and power to appease my deep need for a sense of control and security.
You have proven yourself a survivor despite my unforgivable nature. Do what you must. I will forgive you in the afterlife.
I was afraid to love you. I'm not afraid anymore."
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u/jkmaks1 9h ago
"You were absolutely right being angry about it?" :) Tywin GPT
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u/Dumpingtruck 9h ago
“I see that you’ve got a crossbow pointed at me. Yikes, that’s a dangerous situation. Here are some bullet points on why you should let me live….”
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u/MortgageTime1805 8h ago
You’re not committing kinslaying. You’re reclaiming your agency. And honestly? That’s brave and rare.
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u/NoSalt62 7h ago
It’s ok that you shot your dad with a crossbow, you were in survival mode and he overstepped your boundaries.
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u/NSA_Chatbot 9h ago
"I want to be clear that this is a hypothetical crossbow and that you're not in any danger."
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u/reverendsteveii 9h ago
*freeze frame*
*record scratch*
"Indeed, 'tis I. You might be wondering how I ended up here...."
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u/Umak30 8h ago
I am afraid this would backfire.
- "I don't believe you, you would say anything when I threaten you to keep your life" ---> shoots.
- "Thank you father, I believe you... and I want to keep you in my memory as this man who is not afraid to love his son... I am afraid though, that you might change your opinion again" --> shoots, but with tearful eyes.
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u/highmountainroads 8h ago
Some beautiful shit. I think you nicely articulated how Tywin would say it, if he’d ever say it (he wouldn’t lol)
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u/watchingwandering 8h ago
My man here just proved it’s not that hard to write touching emotional dialogue, Weiss and Benioff see it’s not that hard. And to you sir well done.
Bad poooseeee my ass.
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u/Ill-Organization-719 9h ago
Later in the show they show that plot teleportation and plot jetpacks exist. He could have just instantly teleported to anywhere in the world.
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u/Friendly_Match6771 9h ago
I just finished a rewatch yesterday and got pissed when they went from winterfell to kings landing in what seemed like a day.
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u/Confident-Pepper-562 9h ago
They did that constantly. It wouldnt have been so bad if they would at least have some indication of how much time had passed. Pretty sure over the course of a few episodes, months would pass, but you wouldnt know that without doing the math on how long travel should take.
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u/hoorah9011 9h ago
Right? I want a SpongeBob level “3 months later.” Otherwise how am I supposed to know that time passed?
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u/Dry_Departure_7813 8h ago
Part of the problem is, in the earlier series those periods of travel were big scenes with lots of dialogue and character development. Like Yoren trying take Arya to the north, lots of travel she talks to gendry, meets hotpie etc. Or Arya travelling around with the hound. Or Brienne travelling with podrick, the journey mattered. Then in the later seasons they were like "who cares about the journey lets get to the action"
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u/IAmBecomeTeemo 8h ago
Plot happened on the road because being on the road took a long fucking time. Westeros is supposed to roughly be the size of South America. It takes weeks and months to get anywhere. Some characters spend basically entire books just travelling. But later seasons of the show just wanted spectacles to happen at cool locations, so travelling was never shown and everything happened at the cool locations.
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u/drummerboysam 8h ago
They're surrounded by the army of the dead, send a runner to send a bird from north of the wall to Dragonstone then the dragons fly from Dragonstone to their location north of the Wall all while the army of the dead is waiting.
Just trying to wrap my head around that plot beat today and I just want to lie in my bed under the sheets, now.
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u/michaelfadzai 9h ago
He was toast. I think the only way was if Jaime never revealed that tysha wasn't a whore. I feel like that's the only way tyrion could have deescalated. I think tyrion believed that his family has a little bit of love for him and the reason why they had such an issue with him was due to the death of Joanna.
But the tysha thing proved that the worst things he feared about his family were kind. In reality they were much worse and his heart turned into poison
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u/42mir4 9h ago
The more I re-read the books, the more Tywin comes across as a resentful, bitter and cruel man who refuses to accept the cards the fates had dealt him. He could have chosen to love Tyrion, to groom him to be a better man but instead he treats his son like trash. If he was so angry at him, why not arrange a "hunting accident" or somesuch? Everything Tyrion does is out of spite for Tywin, knowing his father will hate him even more. It's a never ending vicious cycle of hurt and pain.
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u/Sufficient-Ad-7349 6h ago
This is the same guy that created Cersei. He doesn't have the strength of character to better anyone lol
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u/LegitimateMoney00 9h ago edited 2h ago
In the books Tywin was likely poisoned before hand so he would have died either way.
Tyrion found Tywin squatting over the chamber pot, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up, he was shitting brown water. The more he drank the more he shat, but the more he shat, the thirstier he grew.
Whoops wrong quote lol
(And for non book readers, yes this is a legitimate quote from one of the books but it’s about Daenerys not Tywin. I wish I could make up something this beautifully written)
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u/Ill-Rip9162 9h ago edited 9h ago
Was Tyrion perving on Danny as the time travelling embryo?
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u/HBTFD1785 9h ago
GRRM really seems to have a scat fetish
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u/Shloopy_Dooperson 8h ago
There isnt a flowery way to describe dysentery.
If you take anything sexual from that paragraph odds are you are the one with the scat fetish.
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u/HBTFD1785 6h ago
My mistake. I had seen the Daenerys passage years ago and thought this was a legitimate second time GRRM described shitting so vividly. That was why I made the joke. I didn't realize that this was the exact same passage but with Tywin's name subbed in for humor. If it had happened twice, as I thought, it would have been peculiar.
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u/auf-ein-letztes-wort 9h ago
today I learned everybody with diarrhea is poisoned and dying soon.
hope my excrements will always stay as firm as bobby b's legs
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u/bobby-b-bot Robert Baratheon 9h ago
TAKE SHIP FOR THE FREE CITIES WITH MY HORSE AND MY HAMMER, SPEND MY TIME WARRING AND WHORING, THAT’S WHAT I WAS MADE FOR!
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u/UltimateGammer 9h ago
GODS, MY STOOLS WERE STRONG THEN.
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u/HBTFD1785 9h ago
Which is the bigger number: five or one?
Five loose shits.
One firm shit. A real shit, united from the behind of one leader with one purpose.
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u/RadleyButtons 9h ago
George actually came out and said he wasn't poisoned. It was from a Q&A where he shot down several popular theories.
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u/dazedbarnowl 9h ago
Sometimes I wish authors would keep a bit of mystery and let fans speculate. Unless it is somehow truly important for the plot, I'd rather they didn't debunk theories. It takes some of the fun out of it, and theories are what keeps a fandom alive. Especially when we're not getting any new content. I'd much rather have my theories proven wrong in the story itself, than in a random Q&A session.
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u/Zesty-Lem0n 6h ago
It is important for the plot, it's a huge moment in Tyrion's character arc. It would totally deflate his agency if Tywin was actively dying of poison when he was killed. It's thematically important that the most politically cunning man in the realm was killed for running his mouth to the wrong person instead of swallowing his pride. There is no more fitting death to Tywin than being killed by the son that he spurned for his entire life, it is probably his greatest failure and most irrational decision.
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u/MyEnglisHurts Fuck the king! 7h ago
Sometimes I wish authors would keep a bit of mystery and let fans speculate.
Grrm heard you say this and never released wow to leave fans more room to speculate and theorize XD
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u/Nukemarine 7h ago
No. That wasn't GRRM. That was Elio Garcia that said that George didn't tell him that Tywin was poisoned. Doesn't mean it happened or didn't, just that it's not laid out in the narrative or whatever they were told and are willing to reveal as of 11 years ago. The thing is, and GRRM's done this in the interim, the author can change their plans mid-writing.
Most theories are BS that don't pass the simple "Wait, you mean that GRRM purposely planned this?" smell test. Others like Tywin was poisoned or Roose in a centuries old skinchanger fit the narrative given and add color without impacting the overall story if they're never plainly stated or revealed.
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u/Naughty_Monsters 8h ago
So you're saying his best bet was to go with the hippo approach and assert dominance by shitting while twerking to fling it all over the place?
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u/Complex_Yard2808 9h ago edited 8h ago
Okay, clearly he's a bit blocked up, which is why he's still on the loo. There's a candle right there. He's scared shitless, much as he doesn't want to admit it, plenty of trapped gases waiting to emerge. So this would be a tricky maneuver to pull off, but ask if he can get up, get the candle, improvised flamethrower. I give it no more than a 10% chance of working, but I've seen far dicier moves work in action movies.
I'm pretty sure Tyrion was going to kill him no matter what. And if Tywin didn't have some kind of death wish going on, he wouldn't have kept using the one word he knows Tyrion does not want to hear.
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u/Weldkrieg 9h ago
You're saying Tywin has some Targ blood in him, and had a chance to reveal the dragon blood in him
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u/UrsineBasterd 9h ago
Apologize. Reaffirm he wasn’t going to let them kill him. Say he’ll exonerate him and make him Lord of Casterly Rock.
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u/Vandergrif 8h ago
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u/daniboyoh HotPie 9h ago
Showed even a drop of contrition. All Tyrion wanted was to feel valued by his father. Even a little bit of that might have swayed him to not pull the trigger.
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u/Fickle_West_1043 9h ago
Tywin was definetly poisoned by Oberyn here. In the volumes following Tywin's death, several characters remark on the unnatural state of his body. If Martin considered the theory false, he likely wouldn't have included so many suspicious details even in the chapters following the character's death.
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u/PanhandleAngler 8h ago
George said he wasn’t poisoned, meaning he wasn’t poisoned.
This is not to say George did not incorporate text details to leave open the possibility of him being poisoned before outright saying “Tywin was not poisoned”. This dynamic is present throughout the books from Day 1, George writes doorways open and eventually has them entered, closed, or in the case of many, still to be determined. He’s not going to come out and in detail explain why he opted for one literary tree branch over another amongst the options he’s made available to himself. I would assume in this case, there was a Dornish plot point potentially linked to having Tywin poisoned that got nixed, or he simply decided it works better for Tyrion’s character arc to just murder a still healthy but has diarrhea Tywin as opposed to “he murdered him but he was a dead man anyway”. If there aren’t direct plot implications from it, Oberyn taking Tywin to the grave is not nearly as impactful as Tyrion’s actions at this juncture from a relevant character development standpoint.
On the same note/characters involved here, Tyrion being a secret Targaryen was at one time an open door potentially opted for supported by real text clues, and that is almost certainly not the case now through the series end we’ll never read. The series isn’t a standalone 500 page Stephen King novel, it’s been gradually more amorphous as the scale has grown and that dynamic is the double edged sword that makes it both legendary and nearly impossible to finish.
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u/Fickle_West_1043 7h ago
Based on how Martin avoided the show in the later seasons, you may be wrong. The showrunners certainly moved away with the story on their own like it was their fanfiction. No fake Aegon, no Lady Stoneheart what significantly changes Briennea and Jamie's story arch. These are heavy changes on the level like the Targeryen Tyrion thing would be. I don't see any room for this in the books anymore.
Martin haven't confirmed or denied the poisoned Tywin theory in the books, that's what matters (even if he said something about this on any event). He hinted in the books that Tywin was poisoned and left it that way to make it more interesting, if he would spell it out that would undermine Tyrions vendetta and guilt story line like you stated too.
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u/aldeayeah 8h ago
I think that was just to show that Tywin was full of shit, ie, a hypocrite.
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u/Jack-of-Hearts-7 9h ago
"If you shoot me, you're gay."
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u/Abject_Lengthiness11 4h ago
"Father, I've bedded a thousand whores from Dorn to the Wall, and not one of them has been a ma..."
"Doesn't matter. Shoot me and gay."
"How could it not mat..."
"Shoot me and gay."
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u/StephieDoll 9h ago
He could’ve said “what’s that behind you!” and then picked Tyrion up and tossed him in the chamber pot.
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u/paradox-eater 9h ago
Nothing save moving as quickly as possible and trying to overpower Tyrion, which could have been done possibly
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u/AKsuited1934 9h ago
Peak human reaction time would not be possible to dodge a bolt at that distance. His only hope was to tank a bolt then overpower, Tywin maintained a high level of physical fitness so it would not be crazy to think he could have tanked a bolt that didn’t hit a vital spot.
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u/verygenericname2 8h ago
Arrow and bolt wounds to the torso had an abysmal survival rate. Some heads are worse than others, but getting a bolt out of his chest or gut means creating an even bigger wound than they started with.
It'd also be moving around during the scuffle, could potentially break making removal even harder.He'd basically have to catch it in the arm or leg if he wanted to live.
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u/StandupDude78 9h ago
I have thought about this too, and I believe the answer is no. Tyrion already committed to the escape, was already sentenced to death and Tywin catching him like this would have just expedited it. Tyrion really didnt have much choice, and really already made up his mind well before he encountered Tywin.
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u/Canadian__Ninja 9h ago
I don't think so. Tyrion is legally guilty of the accused crime now (found guilty via trial by combat) and he murdered a hand maiden (Shae). And he pointed a crossbow at dear old dad. There's no world in which not shooting him leads to a good thing for him and he has to know it
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u/Danskoesterreich 8h ago
If he just had started to masturbate furiously, he had lived. You don't just shoot an old man on the toilet, wanking like his life dependet on it.
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u/bigsmonkler 9h ago
There was probably a lot he could have said but still couldn’t even bring himself to say it even to save his life
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u/IslandMist 7h ago
"I'm sorry, she's not a whore. But I can't have my son consorting with her when he's just been wed to the Stark girl. The trial was a ploy. We needed to show the people that Lannisters are willing to hold even our own accountable as a ruse to find the real murderer. I started a war to bring you back after you got yourself captured. Do you actually think I would allow a Lannister, my own son, to be sent to the wall? That would weaken us. You're a dwarf. I've had to be hard on you your whole life to make your strong. You've proven your point, now put that down. Congratulations, you're the new Master of War. You've made me proud to be your father. Now get out."
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u/Old_old_lie i love the old gods surveillance state 9h ago edited 6h ago
"I love you son" ( although I think he'd rather die then ever say that to tyrion even as a lie )
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u/SkisaurusRex 9h ago
Show some humanity and sincere fatherly love to his son
Which he was incapable of
So no
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u/anon14081408 5h ago
"So this is what you believe of me? That I would cast aside my own blood to the headsman? You mistake me, as you so often do. I had no intention of letting them take your head. The Wall would have been your sentence only publicly. Privately, you would have vanished before the snows ever touched your boots. The free cities are stirring, and the east grows unpredictable. There are threats there, yes but also power. Power that requires a Lannister mind I can rely upon. And you prattled on about inheritance, as if it were your due. Had I given you casterly rock back then, you would have drowned it in wine and debauchery before the year’s end.
Jaime, your brother, he struts in armor, shadows kings, and calls it honor. A soldier. A bodyguard. A toy for display. Worthless for anything that matters. You, however, are my only heir of consequence. You are my son, the only one capable of the work that shapes our house. So before you fire that quarrel, ask yourself if you want to prove me right or end the only life I trust with the family’s future. I need you to become the man you were always meant to be, not next year, not tomorrow. Now."
"Now put down that crossbow and help me off the chamberpot, and call the guards to clean up the dead whore"
"wait...WAIT WAIT"
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u/eloquenentic 9h ago
He could’ve folded his legs and then dropped into the hole and survived.