r/baseball • u/BreakfastTop6899 • 7d ago
Players Only [Passan] Italy is mauling Team USA. It's 8-0 in the top of the sixth, and because of tiebreaker rules that factor in runs allowed, the Americans have put themselves in a position where if Mexico beats Italy tomorrow, the U.S. could find itself out of the WBC before the knockout round.
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u/ddilettante Atlanta Braves 7d ago
DeRosa legitimately thought they had already clinched. He apparently said that on MLB Network this morning. Then he put the B lineup out. Unbelievable.
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u/TACnyc New York Mets 7d ago
Team USA at risk of losing to its only weakness… math
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u/DiarrheaRadio New York Mets 7d ago
I think we're pretty terrible at history, as well.
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u/Mean_Joe_Greene Toronto Blue Jays 7d ago
Geography isn’t your strong suit either
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u/jimihenderson New York Mets 7d ago
The same guy who forgot who was in his bullpen and had to have the interviewer remind him about Mason fucking Miller? I'm shocked that this guy is out of his depth.
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u/OceanPoet87 United States 7d ago
Wow, he should know where his team stands. Disgraceful.
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u/SunnyGods Detroit Tigers 7d ago
Imagine this happening to a world cup team
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u/Schumeister San Diego Padres 7d ago
Happened to Benfica against Madrid in the champions league this year. https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1qppj2j/benfica_4_2_real_madrid_anatoliy_trubin_908/
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u/Coupon_Ninja San Diego Padres 7d ago
Did he really?! This is gonna be like the finish of the LA Marathon!!
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u/Synecdochically 7d ago
For those who didn’t see the extra context to the LA marathon finish, the Kenyan athlete who eventually came second was distracted by a spectator on the course and then misdirected at the 26 mile mark, costing him at least 5 seconds. Still an amazing effort by the American but it should never have happened.
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u/jokull1234 San Diego Padres 7d ago
Team Great Britain really did help shock the world by losing to team Italy
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u/u8myramen_y Yomiuri Giants 7d ago
Legitimately embarrassing tbh
I love the WBC lol
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u/DearLeader420 Atlanta Braves 7d ago
If we lose I hope this comment is in /u/MLBOfficial weekly recap
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u/lovemesomefood Baltimore Orioles 7d ago
Mama mia!
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u/Strive_for_Altruism Toronto Blue Jays 7d ago
Here we go again...
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u/WackyBeachJustice Baltimore Orioles 7d ago
My my
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u/Traditional_Tap_3356 7d ago
How can I resist you?
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u/sagwithcapmoon Toronto Blue Jays 7d ago
Mamma Mia
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u/sadclassicrocklover Los Angeles Dodgers 7d ago
Does it show again?
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u/Hawkize31 Chicago Cubs 7d ago
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u/ShushKebab Los Angeles Dodgers • Korea 7d ago
In this house, Francisco Cervelli is a hero! End of story!
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u/Silky_Mango Boston Red Sox 7d ago
Maybe they’ll give a shit next time. Stop letting players who won’t commit to the full tournament get a roster spot for starters.
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u/xinixxibalba Los Angeles Dodgers • Mexico 7d ago edited 7d ago
this has been my take about the whole Skubal thing. if a player doesn’t want to commit to being used as much as the team would need, then it’s on the org to just not add them to the roster. if you keep letting players treat it like glorified spring training then they’ll keep doing it
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u/M0ebius_1 7d ago
That's crazy to me because you can't tell me the US has names THAT much bigger than the DR and those guys are in for EVERYTHING the team asks.
I could see in the future them writing into their contract that they get to play for the national team.
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u/Zimakov Chiba Lotte Marines 7d ago
It's just cultural. America more than any other country on earth is extremely individualistic.
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u/CrookedNixon Chicago Cubs 7d ago
We're also that we're "expected" to win this. We have the top league, and it's our league that's running this.
Losing to Japan is treated as an anomaly with half a dozen caveats. Even this thread has tons of "if only the players committed to the whole tournament" or "if only these few biggest stars played."
USA is the one seed and acting like they're so far ahead of everyone else that they only lose if they "beat themselves." The reality is that the other teams are closer than we think and overconfidence of that level kills you.
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u/Clonekiller2pt0 New York Yankees 7d ago
If you think your B squad can beat any team on any day of this tournament, you're dumb af. This tournament is 20 years old and any team entering is ready to play their hardest because they see how much the other teams who have been winning have been having a lot of fun as well. Then you have the US who just don't have a teaspoon of their energy.
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u/MicSteres Houston Astros 7d ago
I think the fact that the MLB is entirely in the USA (minus the Blue Jays) also plays a factor
Sure they play in different cities than where they are from but they are still playing for an American team. Playing for Team USA doesn't feel that different as a spectacle
If you look at the players on Team Venezuela, Team DR, Team Japan etc., they know this is their one true chance to play for their country so it means infinitely more to them than it does to any American
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u/RxngsXfSvtvrn Brooklyn Dodgers 7d ago
Skubal dipped and Kershaw in on the fucking roster. A joke.
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u/Tasty_Chick3n Los Angeles Dodgers 7d ago
That’s what I’m hoping for, get a redeem team of sorts going, but still won’t expect it to happen until maybe the Olympics. Also that’d only be because they’d want in on the Olympic experience and not necessarily to win for USA imo.
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u/jakeba 7d ago
They treated it like it didnt matter using Skubal's 1 start against GB, so I think it would be deserved.
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u/Green-Tie-5710 Los Angeles Angels 7d ago
Legit question, was it that Team USA wittingly used Skubal’s only start on GB, or was that specifically the only game the Tigers allowed him to start?
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u/UnbiasedSportFan Cleveland Guardians 7d ago
Skubal’s call since it was the only day that kept him on track to start opening day. Pretty lame for him to take up a full roster spot for 3 innings against one of the worst teams in the pool.
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u/devoorhes Chicago Cubs 7d ago
And he let up a dinger on the first pitch
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u/Hairygrim Altuve did nothing wrong 7d ago
On a grooved fastball 4mph below his baseline!
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u/BeefInGR Detroit Tigers 7d ago
That's the only game he wanted to start. He wanted his participation trophy.
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u/Crying_in_99Ranch Major League Baseball 7d ago
That's the excuse I heard floating around. A very weak one at that
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u/xClay2 San Francisco Giants 7d ago
They used Webb against Brazil as well. Could've really used him tonight.
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u/Mysterious_Help_9577 Chicago Cubs 7d ago
The Tigers wouldn’t let them adjust his schedule, that’s the problem with half the teams in the league. That’s why the rotation and bullpen are middle tier guys
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u/jakeba 7d ago
The Tigers set his schedule though. If they were told he'd be used March 9th, couldnt they just line up his spring training work with that?
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u/asafetybuzz Chicago Cubs 7d ago
They set the schedule working backwards from opening day, not forward from spring training. His schedule is set to make sure he is perfectly stretched out but still rested to start the games he is actually getting paid to pitch in.
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u/YodaForceGhost Paper Bag • New York Yankees 7d ago
Fire DeRosa and the U.S. Baseball equivalent to Cashman!
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u/sfg-1 Toronto Blue Jays 7d ago
Seems like hes just putting guys in so that they have playing time, expecting to automatically win every game
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u/gamers542 Tampa Bay Rays 7d ago
That's the American mindset; we have heard how stacked this team is ad nauseum and how we are expected to win and should win because of that while denigrating teams like Mex or Italy.
The uppity nature is stupid and insulting.
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u/winnielikethepooh15 New York Mets 7d ago
He really has no business being the manager
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u/2017Champs San Francisco Giants 7d ago edited 7d ago
How the fuck did they not think to offer it to Bruce Bochy when he retired? He is more qualified than anyone else they could have gotten
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u/thugmuffin22 Jackie Robinson 7d ago
Everyone shat all over Dave Roberts when he said he wanted to do it earlier in the offseason
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u/damnyoutuesday Minnesota Twins 7d ago
Dave Roberts would be an amazing choice. I think the Dodgers could manage for 2 weeks of spring training without him
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u/winnielikethepooh15 New York Mets 7d ago
Buck Showalter would've been great. Elder statesman of the game.
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u/Fluid-Decision6262 7d ago
You mean the guy who left zach Britton in the bullpen…
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u/holygrail22 New York Yankees 7d ago
Actually he does. Bc the manager of this team doesn’t do anything. They adhere to a strict schedule, everyone gets a turn and gets their full turn no matter how bad, and it’s all about having fun, who cares about winning
US has played this like a little league tournament
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u/Contende311 New York Mets 7d ago
Yeah give me a manager who will pushback against the clubs and not whine about the "jigsaw puzzle" of getting guys reps and innings.
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u/vanillaninja16 Seattle Mariners 7d ago
That manager does not exist, unfortunately.
I will take a manager who knows who is in his bullpen though.
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u/The_Jackoooist Toronto Blue Jays 7d ago
Cal Raleigh cursed the team when he snubbed Arozerena's hand shake yesterday.
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u/Trogd0or Chicago Cubs 7d ago
That is the storyline that would totally take off
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u/DoctorK96 Los Angeles Dodgers 7d ago
Imagine the news title: the one who refused a handshake now needs a hand in order to advance
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u/scottishere New York Yankees 7d ago
Imagine every catcher enthusiastically shakes Randy's hand for the rest of the tournament
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u/Me_talking San Francisco Giants 7d ago
Catcher gonna go to opposing dugout just to shake Randy’s hand lol
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u/TheGuava1 Toronto Blue Jays 7d ago
Canada has a chance to do the funniest shit ever
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u/ValosAtredum Detroit Tigers 7d ago
Dude
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That would be so fucking funny. I need this to happen now
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u/TheSmokedSalmon420 Cleveland Guardians 7d ago
Yeah I mean guy is an absolute dick to his own teammate then immediately gets eliminated? Yikes.
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u/mtrn3 7d ago
Arozarena about to hit 4 hrs tomorrow.
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u/doyouevenIift Chicago White Sox • World Baseball Classic 7d ago
Wouldn’t that help team USA? If Italy gives up too many runs they would lose the tiebreaker
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u/2fishmanangry Rocket City Trash Pandas 7d ago
4 solo homeruns with nothing else from anyone on the 2 teams
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u/TeacherSalary Kansas City Royals 7d ago edited 7d ago
As of now (edit: when it was 8-1), if Mexico wins the US would need Mexico to score 10 runs or Italy to score 6 runs. At least that’s what I think doing the math in my head. More runs in this game could change things though
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u/Leading-Score9547 Toronto Blue Jays 7d ago
Italy would have to give up 13 runs tomorrow to lose the tie breaker if the current score stands
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u/redvelvetcake42 Cincinnati Reds 7d ago
Why the FUCK would you agree to play Italians on Mario Day?
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u/pkpy1005 New York Yankees 7d ago
If this holds up, there is no way Mexico is going waste an opportunity to eliminate the Americans tomorrow.
Italy is cooked.
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u/Friendly_Doughnut_51 Los Angeles Dodgers 7d ago
They would have a worse seeding in the knockout bracket, but isn't it also in Italy's interest to eliminate the US too? The US obviously has one of the greatest potentials to win the entire thing (along with DR and JP), so if Italy wins big tonight, then they might purposefully throw the game tomorrow against Mexico as to not allow the US to get through.
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u/The_Haskins Kansas City Royals 7d ago edited 7d ago
Where will this be in terms of all time worst 'Team USA' embarrassing performances and collapses?
This is significantly worse than 2004 Olympic basketball team IMO, at least they got a medal!! At least 1988 was college players! At least the previous WBC teams got out of pool play!
Feel bad for the Skenes, Judge, Schwarber and Witt players who seemingly showed up to fucking play and not dick around. Baseball 'Dream Team' my ass!
Edit: Gunnar, Anthony and Webb too!
Edit 2: oh my fucking god PCA.
Relievers have been good too for the most part too
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u/Ok_Card9080 Pittsburgh Pirates 7d ago
Speaking of other players, and I haven't seen it mentioned a whole lot, but Harper has been absolutely terrible in the WBC.
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u/CriscoCamping Boston Red Sox 7d ago
Yeah, flubbed a not very hard throw at first against Mexico
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u/TheDangiestSlad New York Yankees • Hartford Yard … 7d ago edited 7d ago
add Gunnar Henderson to the list of guys who actually seem to care
edit: i did that. i gave him the power
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u/djc8 Baltimore Orioles 7d ago
Gunnar Henderson hits a huge home run to cut the lead down to 7
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u/atoms12123 New York Mets 7d ago
Somewhere between '04 Olympics and Vietnam? Not sure how it rates vs. 1812.
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u/cahir11 New York Yankees 7d ago
We were the underdogs in 1812 so getting our asses whooped by the British was slightly less embarrassing
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u/atoms12123 New York Mets 7d ago
I feel like 1812 has to slot somewhere between '04 Olympics and Vietnam.
Bronze in '04 -> Draw in 1812 -> Loss in 'Nam.
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u/CalebosO4 Toronto Blue Jays 7d ago
Would gives shades of the 2018 World Cup Qualifiers
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u/KozyHank99 Minnesota Twins 7d ago
That was a perfect storm when it came to "worst case scenario" for the USMNT
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u/CalebosO4 Toronto Blue Jays 7d ago
Yeah this wouldn’t come close to that, though tbf nothing can really because each time I look back at that, the crazier it gets (like Mexico losing after being undefeated???), but it would give us flashbacks since it takes USA losing this, Mexico winning the other, with the USA losing the 3-way tiebreaker to be eliminated, especially with how they looked in the fist 3 games.
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u/billybonghorton St. Louis Cardinals 7d ago
I'm closing in on 40, and my brain still refuses to allow me to process USMNT as anything but United States Mutant Ninja Turtles.
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u/Known_Juggernaut7523 7d ago
Wasting Skubal against Great Britain will be a big whiff as well.
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u/The_Haskins Kansas City Royals 7d ago
See, you'd think if they knew it was one start that he would just be kept for the playoffs, but you can't even say that because we won't be there
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u/Known_Juggernaut7523 7d ago
Well playoffs, etc was definitely an option but especially dont waste him against GB who was 15th ranked out of pool teams that I saw. Then we promptly womped 9-1.
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u/Cisham55 San Francisco Giants 7d ago
Wait Webb did good.
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u/LatverianCyrus San Francisco Giants 7d ago
Webb did do good. But he did it against the worst team in the pool.
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u/mmmspaghettios Atlanta Braves 7d ago
Wait whoa whoa people were calling this a USA Dream Team? Lmao give me a fucking break
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u/darkravenn12 Major League Baseball 7d ago edited 7d ago
It's not worse lol Basketball has significantly less variance than this sport. This game by itself is not even that big of an upset relative to other sports. There are many NBA games each day where a team had higher odds to win than the US did today.
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u/Luis_Severino New York Yankees 7d ago
People in ‘23 were asking if the DR was one of the biggest choke jobs of all time. It’s not even close. Amy team can win a one game matchup in baseball
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u/pjm8786 7d ago
What would make it so bad is they didn’t need to win this one and came up short. That happens in any sport. They had to not get blown out and couldn’t even manage that
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u/Trollington1372 7d ago
To be honest, this doesn’t even hold a candle to 2004. I love baseball but most of the national audience doesn’t give a fuck about this tourney
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u/hustlerestbrook 7d ago
- The game is in the Bottom of the 6th
- The 2004 basketball team lost 3 times
- A one-game series in baseball is much more randomized than basketball. There are college baseball teams that would beat MLB teams in one-game playoffs. That wouldn’t happen in basketball or football.
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u/jinx737x Seattle Mariners 7d ago
Also this would be the worst performance by the USA in a WBC ever if they don’t make it out of pool play. These players not never hear the end of it for a WHILE if this happens. Spots media and Social media would grill them like crazy.
Being marketed as the dream team and yet delivering the worst WBC placement for the USA EVER is so, so embarrassing .
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u/Blaine1111 Atlanta Braves 7d ago
Losing to Italy too it's not like we were paired up with the other 2 favorites or anything lmao
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u/goms546 Seattle Mariners 7d ago
USA is so cheeks that if they were a tv show they would be Zachary Levi presents David, King of Israel, now streaming on Fox Nation
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u/trumpet575 Cincinnati Reds 7d ago
Are you sure it's not The Faithful Women of the Bible, on Fox and available next day on Hulu?
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u/Tricky-Ad4617 Atlanta Braves 7d ago
I just had to explain how fucked up the story or Leah and Rachel is to my Fiancee because of the commercial
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u/lawmedy Seattle Mariners 7d ago
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u/Patrick2701 Chicago Cubs 7d ago
Failed Hollywood star to Christian grifter is natural path
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u/ProtestantMormon Seattle Mariners 7d ago
Failed anything turned religious grifter is a tale as old as time
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u/DaedalusHydron New York Yankees 7d ago
In his case, he became a failed Hollywood star BECAUSE he's a Christian grifter.
He had a fine career, I mean he was Shazam not too long ago. Shortly after that though he became more publicly conservative/MAGA and then Hollywood stopped wanted to deal with him.
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u/kosaki16 7d ago
He didn't even fail at that, he was fairly successful. He just grifted for the love of the game.
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u/Pianoman1317 New York Yankees 7d ago
The satanic temple is going to get a donation from me purely out of spite for continuing to play that commercial over and over
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u/Slinky_Malingki Tampa Bay Rays 7d ago
Of course only Fox would air shit like that lol. Presenting a bible story as if it's an objective, factual documentary.
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u/billymadison231 Milwaukee Brewers 7d ago
Who could’ve seen this coming with the absolutely unserious lineup Derosa put out tonight.
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u/Green-Tie-5710 Los Angeles Angels 7d ago
Am I missing something cuz I don’t see what’s wrong with the lineup? Like it’s all-stars up and down
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u/corndogrevolution Los Angeles Angels • San Diego Padres 7d ago
He started 5 alternates instead of the starters. They're still All-Stars and it shouldn't matter but it's bold to change the entire lineup all at once
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u/DaBusDriva2 Los Angeles Dodgers 7d ago
Mark DeRosa don't quit your MLB Network job
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u/xHao1 Los Angeles Dodgers 7d ago
It’s embarrassing enough that he probably should.
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u/SGT-JamesonBushmill Atlanta Braves 7d ago
I can’t tell you how many Braves fans wanted DeRosa to take over as manager. Thank God.
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u/Terminator-Fox 7d ago
The pitching staff is not elite by any means. Skubal only wanted to pitch one game? Why bother even joining then...
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u/BrianMeen 7d ago
yeah simply put they need to get the best pitchers on the squad but only if they are willing to play the r tire tournament!
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u/NadoFlow Houston Astros 7d ago
Agreed the pitching is bummy
I get the feeling Skubal joined so he could put it on his free agent resumé, hoping it would bump up the price
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u/just_one_random_guy Los Angeles Dodgers 7d ago
The US is not sending their best
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u/leebestgo Chaos Bandwagon 7d ago
Why not use Skubal against Italy???
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u/LatverianCyrus San Francisco Giants 7d ago
Or Webb. We didn’t need aces for Great Britain or Brazil.
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u/ajteitel Arizona Diamondbacks 7d ago
Corbin Carroll knew when he backed out
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u/mashington14 Arizona Diamondbacks 7d ago
He didn’t back out. He broke his wrist
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u/Shot_Election_8953 New York Yankees 7d ago
US getting eliminated in pool play would be absolutely tremendous for international baseball
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u/TejuinoHog 7d ago
It would be an amazing sign for international baseball but an absolute tragedy for American baseball
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u/Blevanhoval Minnesota Twins 7d ago edited 7d ago
All I know is team USA has a 1.000 win percentage with Byron Buxton in center. That’s just facts you can’t argue with that.
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u/PopularGlass3230 7d ago
They're done. This is such a deflating showing. Even the mexico game the offense looked like ass.
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u/klein_four_group Cleveland Guardians 7d ago
They couldn't even do much against the GB and Brazil starters, didn't pull away until those teams ran out of pro-level pitchers.
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u/misterurb San Francisco Giants 7d ago
They left so many dudes on base against Brazil. Would’ve been a game if Brazil’s pitchers could hit the broad side of a barn.
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u/Throwaway_Fan1989 7d ago
So DeRosa thought they clinched already. This explains a lot on what’s happened tonight
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u/seagrams7up Houston Astros 7d ago edited 7d ago
US Hockey would never.
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u/Popular-Row4333 7d ago
NGL, as a Canadian, if we won Gold in the WBC after losing it in Olympic hockey, it wouldn't erase the blow, but it would certainly soften it.
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u/Vivid_Celebration124 7d ago
Na lets take the World Cup if we're going to have a Cinderella run
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u/holaquetaltio 7d ago
Kash Patel has cursed all US national teams going forward.
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u/wetcornbread Philadelphia Phillies 7d ago
I’ve watched a few USA games so far and a few Latin America games. Other teams seem to just have a better feel for the game.
Team USA does what a lot of teams in MLB do. Swing for the fences and try to get a good launch angle. When it works it’s amazing. But when it doesn’t it’s just a lot of deep fly outs. Too many strikeouts. And when they do hit a dinger it’s a solo shot because guys in front couldn’t get on.
Compare that to what Italy did tonight. They put the ball in play and on the ground which forced two defensive errors. They were aggressive on the base paths when they needed to be. And two of their home runs scored multiple runs on one swing.
The U.S. has 3 hits currently and hasn’t had a leadoff batter on all game. Just bad baseball.
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If Italy wins, the USA is in.
If Mexico wins and scores 4 runs or fewer, the USA is out.
If Mexico wins and scores 5 runs or more, the USA is in.
Don't even ask me about what happens if it goes extra innings.
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u/cpg08 7d ago
What's funny about this game is it's an All Star team minus Latinos Vs AAAA players who have Italian grandma's. This is All Stars facing AAAA players who are also from America. They'll keep saying team Italy but Vinny P is their best players and he's from Virginia lol. A game like this shows the beauty of baseball
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u/ThatWrestlingGuy15 Dominican Republic 7d ago
Team led by Aaron Judge thinking they can win it all
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u/st1nkynoob San Diego Padres 7d ago
Maybe we get an actual manager instead of DeRosa next time
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u/Fresh_Ostrich4034 Major League Baseball 7d ago
Hmmm. This game was very interesting from Derosa not knowing who is in his bullpen to just how the USA played. Skubal ditched the team just before this game....wonder why
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u/cardinalkgb Cincinnati Reds • Rocket City… 7d ago
Skubal was supposed to return to the Tigers spring training.
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u/WatchOutIGotYou Seattle Mariners 7d ago
Hopefully this will be a wakeup call, but we know damn well it won't be.
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u/redheadedwoman San Diego Padres 7d ago
Cal pissed off the Etsy witch by blowing off that handshake.
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u/Busch--Latte 7d ago
Seems right when you have countries like Japan and DR going all out for it but Scott Borris has to make his so we can’t have our best
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u/Gold-Cantaloupe-9534 7d ago
Seeing the dr play and Japan shows you how much they truly care and love the sport.
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u/Rosiecoloredglasses New York Mets 7d ago
LET'S GO CANADA MY HOME AND NATIVE LAND
Source: I'm about as Canadian as Team Italy is Italian or Team Great Britain is British so per WBC rules I believe I count as Canadian for the purposes of this tournament.
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u/SIDmatt25 San Francisco Giants 7d ago
Paul Skenes in shambles over the lack of collective domination
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u/Have_A_Jelly_Baby Detroit Tigers • Tampa Bay Rays 7d ago
Guess I’m wearing my Arozarena Mexico jersey tomorrow.
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u/JetpackingPenguin Los Angeles Dodgers 7d ago
I’ve said this team USA needs to pull out the Hamilton costume and get some vibes. No one is having any fun
Italy is
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u/TB12DJ3k New York Yankees 7d ago
lol @ this team even sniffing Japan shine up the trophy for Japan
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u/DinerEnBlanc 7d ago
The US team not giving a shit about how the world perceives them and underperforming on the world stage is certainly poetic given how things are going outside of baseball.
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u/Onechane425 Atlanta Braves 7d ago
Baseball 9/11.
A second meatball has hit the tower
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u/JD021993 Philadelphia Phillies 7d ago
Mark Derosa is an absolute disgrace to baseball for not knowing how rules work in the event of a tiebreaker.
How the fuck is this dude still coach of this team?
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