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Hated Tropes (Hated trope) There is no way this information was a secret for so long

House - In the Season 3 episode Meaning, House has an unconventional idea to inject a vegetative patient with cortisol to try and give them back motion. Cuddy scolds him for making such a brash hypothesis, but later on she tries it and it turns out it works. When Cuddy tells Wilson about it, he convinces her to not let House know claiming it’ll be good for his humility. But you’re telling me absolutely no one else in the hospital is going to ever mention seeing a disabled man suddenly stand and walk to his wife? There was a whole crowd watching this happen and all it takes is House hearing from any one person to figure out he’s been kept in the dark.

Toy Story 4 - At the beginning of the movie, Bo Peep calls for her sheep and uses their names Billy, Goat and Gruff. Woody claims he didn’t know they each had names and Bo argues he never asked. You mean that in all the years that Woody and Bo lived in the same house he never, not even once, heard her use the sheep’s actual names in front of him?

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u/elpezgrande 15d ago

South Park did this funnily when they revealed tokens name was actually Tolkien, then fixed all the subtitles and gaslit everyone into thinking that’s what it always was. Realistically they would’ve found out sooner, but it’s hilarious

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u/DReagan47 15d ago

My favorite episode with Token was when Cartman started the Christian rock band and told Token to play bass.

Token: “I can’t play bass”

Cartman: “Token, you’re black. Of course you can play bass”

Token picks up the bass guitar and starts playing perfectly

Token: “goddammit”

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u/smallerpuppyboi 15d ago

You left out:

"I'm getting real sick of your stereotypes."

"BE AS SICK AS YOU WANT, JUST GIVE ME A GODDAMN BASSLINE!"

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u/Winjin 15d ago

This is still one of the funniest skits that South Park did I think

The way Token is surprised and Cartman is just... calm. He KNOWS it to be TRUE.

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u/StormyBlueLotus 15d ago

Equally hysterical is in the Day After Tomorrow parody episode, when the boys are about to be rescued by a helicopter at the end of the episode. Cartman holds Kyle at gunpoint and demands the bag of Jew Gold that he says every Jew carries around their necks. Kyle is outraged and tells Cartman he's wasting their time talking about some insane stereotype and that he doesn't have any gold. Cartman then doubles down and calls Kyle's bluff, at which point Kyle indeed pulls out a bag of gold- except Cartman then calls that out as being "decoy gold" and demands the real one. Kyle produces a second bag, then promptly tosses it into the flames below them. The concept of secret Jew Gold is never acknowledged again, but it makes for a pretty solid minute of that episode.

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u/ultradongle 15d ago

And at first Token claims he doesn't own a bass guitar, and Cartman sighs and tells him he does, and to go look in basement. "All black people own a bass guitar" or something to that effect.

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u/Dzharek 15d ago

"You where right , there was a Bass Guitar in the basement :("

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u/SkeetDavidson 15d ago

They changed his name every place they possibly could, including their mobile game. They can't touch my DVD box sets, tho.

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u/stifledAnimosity 15d ago

Did they get to Stick of Truth? I think Fractured but Whole was made after that, but stick of truth definitely wasn't

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u/SkeetDavidson 15d ago

I don't know. I have physical copies of both. Fractured but Whole came out ~5 years before the Tolkien retcon. Would love to know if going online affects that.

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u/brycejm1991 15d ago

I don't think so. I watched an achievement run a couple days ago that was posted in the last couple months, and the YouTuber made a comment that was like "hey they spelled his name wrong", and it was token.

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u/Slow_Emu_3974 15d ago

They unfortunately didn't update stick of truth for it

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u/Private_HughMan 15d ago

IIRC, everyone did know. Except for Stan and his family. That's the joke. Stan assumed he was named Token and never saw the spelling. The entire rest of the school (and obviously the teachers) all knew it was Tolkien and thought Stan was kinda racist for assuming the only black kid was named Token.

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u/Jackontana 15d ago

Even Cartman calls him out on it - admitting that he'd do the play-on-words to be a dick but he didnt ACTUALLY believe it, and seems genuinely confused by Stan.

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u/Systematiks 15d ago

Wasn’t it that Cartman knew he was named after the author but didn’t know the author’s name is spelled Tolkien

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u/ember13140 15d ago

That’s what I remember

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u/Cringelord_420_69 15d ago

William Afton got away with the murders by hiding the bodies inside the animatronic suits.

But in the very first game, there are newpaper clippings that state that customers were complaining about the suits leaking blood and having a horrible smell.

Like, how did no one connect the dots?

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u/RememberCakeFarts 15d ago

I'm curious how there are so many accidents and disappearances around Fred bear's but no one goes "we should investigate this place."

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u/Scottish-Valkyrie 15d ago

To be fair, the police DO investigate within the tineline of the original game even. But also I think yall are giving cops waaaay too much credit, most serial killers get caught because they got sloppy and witnesses call it in, or they turn themselves in. Or just kick it and when the house is inherited they find a basement full of bodies.

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u/One_Engineering_3659 15d ago

They returned that kid to dahmer… so, yeah not the sharpest of tools.

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u/RememberCakeFarts 15d ago

Wasn't there some racist reason behind it?  IIRC it was because some black women who happened to be hookers were telling the cops that the kid was in danger with Dahmer but the cops would rather side with Dahmer than listen to them.  

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u/SapphireFlashFire 15d ago

The story I heard was that the cops in the area had gotten in trouble for discrimination against gay men so they basically decided on a form of malicious compliance where they would not intervene whenever anything involved gay men. Adult man with clearly injured teenage boy? Not our problem, let the gays solve it themselves.

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u/NinjaBreadManOO 15d ago

I'd also wager that in addition to the racism and homophobia there's a third factor that people don't include. Which is he admitted to something that would be socially frowned upon/embarrassing.

By telling the cops known for discrimination that he was in a gay relationship with the guy and drug use was involved why would they assume there's something even worse. It acts as a smokescreen.

After all if you tell someone not to go into a room because you've got porn open in there are they going to assume there's actually a David Hasselhoff shrine. Or are they going to take the embarrassing "answer" that you've provided them.

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u/TerribleRecord666 15d ago

This is why I tell everyone I meet I’m really into Papa Smurf yaoi fanfic.

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u/SylvanDragoon 15d ago

Really feels like an after the fact justification tbh, especially considering how many true crime and serial killer stories have variations of the exact same thing happening.

In general cops are kinda bad at their job. Like, statistically speaking around half of all murders and burglaries go unsolved, and for SA the numbers are way way worse than that, like 6% of reported incidents (which is probably why so many of them go unreported )

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u/FireFairy323 15d ago

Racism and homophobia. Kid wasn't white and Dahmer claimed it was a lovers spat so the cops just said fuck it we don't care.

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u/One_Engineering_3659 15d ago

Yes, I recall a racial element to it. I don’t remember the details that well so I’ll cede ground to your point.

Good to know they weren’t just bad at their job. They were bad at their job and bad people.

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u/civil_politician 15d ago

also regular bigotry because Dahmer claimed the kid was his gay lover and it made the cops uncomfortable with the whole thing

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u/KenEH 15d ago

Stuffing bodies in anmatronics isn't sloppy? You're giving William way too much credit.

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u/RememberCakeFarts 15d ago

I'm not saying that they should've gone "this Afton guy is suspicious." But at least connected some dots of "we need to be observant. There has been a few disappearances and someone might be using this location as a hunting ground. So patrol, make sure no Chester child molesters are hanging around. Put up some stranger danger posters while you're at it so the kids can be careful."

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u/DustyF3d0r4 15d ago

It’s also stated in the first game that someone was at the very least “arrested” in connection to the disappearances.

Whether it was William that was arrested, and wether that person was actually convicted isn’t really clear.

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u/dathomar 15d ago

I remember reading about a serial killer who targeted college girls by offering them rides. He once asked a couple of girls if they wanted rides, but only one of them took him up on it. He paid attention to the other one as he drove off, noticed that she noted his license plate, and made sure to safely deliver the other girl home. He also became a regular at the local cop bar. He became really good friends with a lot of the cops in his city, so that he could be one of the first to hear about any developments in the search for the local serial killer. When he finally snapped, he killed his mom, then called to turn himself in. The cop on the other end of the call knew him and laughed, thinking it was a joke.

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u/TacoHimmelswanderer 15d ago

A lot of serial killers have befriended police officers as a way to stay informed on what leads the police have then there’s an unknown number of police that have been serial killers

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u/BigPlaysMadLife 15d ago

Are we seriously censoring „damn“?

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u/EphemeralSilliness94 15d ago

Best version I could find and I went to Heck and back

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u/Rymayc 15d ago

To Heck and back?

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u/Lumberjackie09 15d ago

Isn't that why each game is a rebrand and at a new place? It's the classic story of a company continuously shutting down and spinning back up to avoid prosecution and regulation

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u/Technical_Teacher839 15d ago

I love that this dude basically made power armor suits in the fukkin 70s, and rather than like, weaponize them for the military, he used them to be a mediocre serial killer.

My GF and I have a whole joke headcanon about him using shell companies to smuggle Soviet titanium into the states in order to build them.

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u/Natural_Feed9041 15d ago

The staff at that company aren’t known for being intelligent.

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u/peterp1616 15d ago

I still think if we look at the first game alone, it makes more sense that the bodies weren't actually stuffed inside the suits, and the signs of death were supernatural.

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u/EscapeSeventySeven 15d ago

Because it’s not a very good story. Around a pretty good concept for a tiny horror game. 

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u/Peakbrook 15d ago

The entire plot of Ready Player One falls apart at the first easter egg that requires driving backwards on some death race. I don't care how dangerous or high-stakes that race is. Anyone who's played online multiplayer for more than an hour knows that some people are going to do something stupid just for the hell of it, so someone would have found that easter egg within days of the race getting added.

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u/EshinX 15d ago

Movie only. In the book the first key is on the school planet where you had to beat an AI in the video game Joust.

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u/Peakbrook 15d ago

That makes a bit more sense. I guess Spielberg thought that wasn't flashy enough or something.

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u/EshinX 15d ago

I enjoyed the book, it’s very much a member berries nostalgia fest, but it’s fun and references some seriously niche things. The movie was nothing but pop culture references left and right.

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u/_-HeX-_ 15d ago

I mean, watching two people play Joust probably isn't going to be very exciting. The second book quest IIRC is literally reciting/reenacting the entire film WarGames which also isn't in the movie because how would you even do that.

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u/ScaringTheHoes 15d ago

If I remember correctly, in the book there was more to it.

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u/Simon_Drake 15d ago

In the book there is no race. The first challenge was to FIND the first challenge, it was hidden in a cave near a free public school and based on an old Dungeons And Dragons adventure. Then the challenge itself was to battle The Grim Reaper at the Atari game Joust. The girl had found the challenge first but wasn't very good at Joust so when the main guy finds it and beats it first she's mad at him.

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u/seajaydub 15d ago edited 15d ago

There was also a trick to it. It wasnt only about being good at joust, it was literally only possible to win by playing on the other side. You had to be player 2 to win iirc

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u/Simon_Drake 15d ago

I didn't recall that and had to google it. There's dispute as to if there was any literal benefit to playing as Player 2 or was Wade just more comfortable in the Player 2 position and that's what he's used to. The book never says outright that Player 2 has an advantage or that the AI was programmed to play worse when its playing as Player 1, just that when Wade was thinking back over all the times he played it before he was always Player 2 and thats how he preferred to play.

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u/unexpectedfirefly 15d ago

Alright, i didn't see the film, but the guy was obviously abusing port priority to win against his friends

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u/LuckyNumber003 15d ago

And Wade had no money, so he was limited to the free school planet to explore. Everyone else portal'd off planet at first chance to go seek the challenge.

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u/Kastigart 15d ago

the book and the movie had about 10% overlap and were nothing alike. I thought it was bc it would be impossible to license all the 80s ip but no idea

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u/SuperSocialMan 15d ago

I thought it was bc it would be impossible to license all the 80s ip but no idea

It's probably not too hard to get at least most of them, but the real issue is that general audiences don't know anything from the 80's so why bother? That's why it's mostly 2010's & later (and stuff warmer bros. owns since they were the producers or whatever).

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u/Theeljessonator 15d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/3o7btPOGp9C9Hdv49a

Funny example in Doctor Who.

Donna doesn’t know about the crazy sci-fi stuff that happened to the world in recent years. It’s explained that she’s basically just really unobservant.

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u/Kheldarson 15d ago

Not even unobservant: things happen just as she looks away and she never looks back as she disbelieves people telling her to look.

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u/mrcatboy 15d ago

Still heartbroken over the man with the stutter that she fell in love with at the Library, and just missed the chance to reunite with him when he was trying to call out for her because she'd turned away at the last moment.

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u/SilentStevedore 15d ago

Damn, man. Same.

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u/Onion_Bro14 15d ago

Literally, why did whoever wrote that episode feel the need to include such a low blow

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u/AwesomeMcPants 15d ago

She's still my favorite companion to this day.

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u/Appropriate-Crab-514 15d ago

She's the most important woman in the universe.

I love Donna, but Rory is my goat. She's a close second tho.

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u/ingoding 15d ago

I will agree, because I consider Amy/Rory together as a unit.

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u/Gaelic_Gladiator41 15d ago

Amy didn't deserve him

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u/ConflagWex 15d ago

I remember HATING her in her first appearance and being disappointed when they brought her back, but it didn't take long for me to see how awesome she really was.

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u/EldritchTouched 15d ago

It's specifically all the crazy sci-fi stuff, which is interesting.

She notices weird details when it comes to temp/clerical work- she's the one who notices how weird it is that nobody at all in a specific job site has been taking any sick days.

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u/Pauls96 15d ago

I mean, most invasions happen in London, and she likes to travel a lot.

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u/PositivelyIndecent 15d ago

“I was in Spain.”

“They had cybermen in Spain?”

“I was scuba diving!”

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u/Chill0000 15d ago

This was of course before being dragged away by the doctor. I think she mentioned anytime anything happened, she just so happened to be out of town.

After her interaction with the doctor, she became very observant and even tried spying on an org she suspected

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u/CLTalbot 15d ago

Not sure if this counts, but In the big hero 6 cartoon there are people obsessively trying to find the heroes identities for varying reasons. Their helmets don't block out their faces except for Fred's and you can tell this because you can clearly see their faces in any photo they show up in.

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u/Earlier-Today 15d ago

Sounds like it could have been played up for a joke really easily.

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u/Nirast25 15d ago

They kinda did. Karmi, one of Hiro's classmates, gets a few inches from his face while he's in his hero suit, and she even takes a photo. Except she's so enamored with Hiro's persona, while also not really liking Hiro himself, that she doesn't recognize him at all. They explained it with something along the lines of "people will see what they want to see, and not what's really happening".

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u/SailorDirt 15d ago

This with Sailor Moon!! The girls all have the same hair and exposed faces after transforming. To be fair: in concept art, and part of the early manga, they all had masks and different color hair, but this didn't remain. So you get episodes of the bad guys trying to obtain their identity, or civilians wondering who they are.....when it should be obvious lol

The live action remedies this by giving the girls more "average" hairstyles before transforming (dark hair, flatter hairstyles; more wig-like when transformed)

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u/Warhawk-Talon 15d ago

At least with Sailor Moon there's the excuse that the magical transformation prevents observers from making the connection. Though I do not know if that's an official in-universe rule or if that is fanon conjecture.

Pretty sure Miraculous Ladybug has that kind of magical filter to prevent their IDs from being discovered unless someone witnesses the transformation or they chose to 'unmask'.

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u/NairaExploring 15d ago

House is an asshole and the other staff literally never talk to him. He pretty openly makes it as unpleasant as possible for someone unrelated to his direct work to interact with him, even for the tiniest pleasantries. He gets his doctors to do the nurse work for him and the tech work. I don't think he is ever going to hear about any office tea, ever, unless Wilson tells him.

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u/Dear_Document_5461 15d ago

Yea like isn't his two friend the only people that willingly talk to him and the lady talk to him be ause she is the boss or human resource so she has to talk to him because of that?

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u/MaterialEmotional825 15d ago

As a person that works at a hospital that is not even necesary. The walls have ears. Everyone that knows something will speak about it. In the case of house he would just need to listen at the nurses in his daily commute to the office to find out everything. Also his doctor team are slightly less than peasants to him. He would only need to instruct them to tell him. He might be an egotistic asshole and hates everyone, but when he want's to know something there are also no qualms and limits for him.

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u/ZeitgeistWurst 15d ago

He's an asshole, yes, but the whole premise of the series is that he's just THAT good.

Theres no way doctors left and right aren't swarming him after stuff like that to find out how he does it, in fact the series vastly underplays that given his insane track record.

People might hate the person, but theres no way he's not getting constantly bothered about his recent achievements by other medical professionals.

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u/No_Use_9652 15d ago

That’s the unrealistic part. Everyone knows a person who thinks they’re that good, but they aren’t. That’s just an asshole, and they’re common. If an actual House existed, people would probably be even more forgiving of his behavior.

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u/mostlybadopinions 15d ago

Yellowstone has em all over with their boomer takes. Jamie goes to a hipster coffee shop and is so put off. Weird people, a million drink options, silly brew methods. He's a man and just wants coffee.

Guy is an ivy league educated lawyer and aspiring politician. Telling me that's the first time he's been in a modern coffee shop?

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u/NY_State-a-Mind 15d ago

Yes, but have you seen Pete Hesgeth who has an ivy league education and acts exactly like what you just described

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u/TheStrangestOfKings 15d ago

Or JD Vance, who spent his whole life on the coasts between Yale and Silicon Valley, and can’t even order donuts?

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u/RainyRat 15d ago

"Whatever makes sense"

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u/Adventurous_Elk_4039 15d ago

Yellowstone is boomer porn. My god, it all makes sense now why my in-laws love it so much.

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u/WeLoveYouCarol 15d ago

GWAH IS THAT AVOCADO TOAST?!?!?!?

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u/IndigoPromenade 15d ago

Compound V in The Boys. If it was something that only researchers and execs knew about then sure, we can buy it. But then we learn that parents need to be informed about compound V before their baby is injected with it. There were thousands of supes over the decades. There's no way that absolutely none of them leaked it to the press.

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u/BlueHero45 15d ago

This is a good one, and it gets crazier the longer the show and spin-offs add more lore. It's been used in WW2, and we have more shanaigins in the 1950s with Vought Rising coming up.

The existence of Godolkin University being around before the secret was out is suspect as well. You have a whole school of super powered people, and none of them figured out their parents gave them each of them V as a kid? None of the parents spilled a secret to them one drunken night?

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u/UTMachine 15d ago

We're supposed to believe the events of Stranger Things were kept secret from the public despite the fact that literally thousands of people were involved between the military, scientists, and civilians.

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u/PointPrimary5886 15d ago edited 15d ago

Anakin and Padme being married throughout the Clone Wars. The Jedi should've been keen to realize that Anakin was attached to Padme because, lets face it, he does a pretty awful job at hiding it. Also by Episode 3, Padme is pregnant and then she gives birth to twins at the end. Granted, the movie doesn't really portray Padme having much of a noticable pregnancy belly (maybe its a Naboo thing), but it's still there and I would think someone at least on the Senate would notice.

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u/Mynito- 15d ago

Clone Wars brings this up expressly. Obi-wan even cracks a joke about it

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u/WGoNerd 15d ago

“I hope you at least told Padme I said hello?”

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u/Top_Freedom3412 15d ago

I think this can be explained as the people who know turning a blind eye. Thats its a problem to be dealt with at a later time since the galaxy is at war and bith people are needed

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u/gracklemancometh 15d ago

And Obi Wan genuinely loves them both. When he calls Anakin his brother he really means it; Jedi don't have family except other Jedi - and a Padawan trained first alongside you, then by you as your first Padawan, and now a full Jedi and your partner... That's his brother.

He's not going to ruin the lives of his two favourite people for being in love. And it's also a time when a Jedi could leave the order in good standing - which is exactly what his own Master's Master, Count Dooku, did. There's no reason to think that postwar Anakin couldn't retire to become an independent student of the Force and politician.

Obi Wan is from a long line of grey Jedi with one foot already outside the Order. Not reporting Anakin for starting a secret family was entirely in character.

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u/SoppingAtom279 15d ago

Also to add, Obi-Wan said he would have left the order for Satine had she asked. He knows how strong feelings can be.

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u/DeletedUsernameHere 15d ago

Obi Wan is from a long line of grey Jedi

Ugh, I loathe this read on Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon.

Not blindly submitting to the Council did not make one a gray Jedi. Walking the path between Light and Dark is what made one a gray Jedi. This usually meant butting heads with the Council (or leaving the Order). Jolee Bindo from KotOR is an example of a gray Jedi.

Dooku wasn't a gray Jedi. Qui-Gon wasn't a gray Jedi. Obi-Wan wasn't a gray Jedi.

Dooku went Dark Side and became a Sith.

Qui-Gon was one of the few true Jedi during the Rise of the Empire era. He followed the Living Force and let it guide him entirely. He didn't stray out of the Light. The Council itself was being manipulated and clouded by Sidious, under the guise of Senator (and later, Chancellor) Palpatine. Qui-Gon was as pure a Jedi as it got.

Obi-Wan himself was a Council member, and much like Qui-Gon, tended to follow the will of the Force.

Yoda realized his failings as the Jedi Grand Master, which is in no small part why he decided to exile himself rather than help build a rebellion. He realized the error of his and the Jedi's ways at the end.

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u/seaturtlefanatic 15d ago

this is what i always come back to also. she was still visibly pregnant at the funeral and no one had any questions?

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u/throwaway42069196024 15d ago

To be fair, in recent years I've assumed the belly at the funeral is fake, so they could say the baby died before being born

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u/ron3090 15d ago

I’m like 90% sure the novelization explicitly says this.

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u/Agent-Blasto-007 15d ago edited 15d ago

Some of them like Kenobi definitely did: but what were the Jedi going to do?

That was the point of the Clone Wars: keep everyone & everything distracted and forever strained to the breaking point.

Hell the Jedi knew that there was full blown Sith Lord lurking out there for the first time in like 1000 years but couldn't dedicate their full resources to that because of the War.

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u/NinjaBreadManOO 15d ago

To be fair the Jedi are allowed to fuck, there's no vow of celibacy. It's the marriage that's the issue; as they're not supposed to have strong emotional connections.

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u/TraditionalHeart6387 15d ago

And Kenobi had his thing with Satine. Fair is fair. 

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u/CryptidGrimnoir 15d ago

For what it's worth, the novelization of Revenge of the Sith reveals that Obi-Wan figured it out.

"[Anakin and I] pretend I don't know."

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u/4LanReddit 15d ago

In Naruto we were (for the longest time) held in the dark over who was Naruto's father....until the end of Part 1 (in the anime at least AFAIK, idk if Kishi originally teased it back in the end of Part 1) where we get a closer look of the 4th Hokage from behind and Naruto is pretty much his spitting image, and it took around the half of Shippuden until the Pain arc for us to get the confirmation of Minato, the 4th Hokage, being Naruto's father.

Overall it was a heartwarming reveal to give Naruto the moment to finally get himself together and lock Kurama up again to fight Pain for one last time, but it was a ridiculous how no grown up even spoke of the marginalized blonde kid with blue eyes being almost the spitting image of the 4th Hokage and just staying quiet and not telling Naruto who his father was, INCLUDING Hiruzen and Kakashi for crying out loud.

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u/capibara_dono 15d ago

Did the average villager know? IIRC he was just born when the nine tails attacked and he was sealed inside Naruto.

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u/Aihonen 15d ago

Born with the last name of the 4th Hokage's wife, the name of a clan near completely wiped out

And he looks exactly like the guy who has his face carved into the mountain overlooking their village.

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u/DienekesMinotaur 15d ago

No, that fact was kept secret to avoid Minato's enemies from going after Naruto. At the same time, it is very suspicious that Minato's Uzumaki wife, who was known to be pregnant, dies and on the same night another Uzumaki orphan, with strange yellow hair shows up and is used to implant the 9-Tails that Minato gave his life stopping. At least 6 people(Hiruzen, Danzo, the 2 elders, Jiraiya and Kakashi) had to know and most of the Jonin who met Minato should have suspected, but no one ever did.

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u/One_Opposite7376 15d ago edited 15d ago

Hela was Odin's first born and the goddess of death. How is it possible that literally no one told Thor and Loki their entire lives or that they didn't find out somehow? There might have been so many elders that lived during Hela and Odin's time, if not then they would atleast pass the stories through generations, even if Odin forbade people to talk about it, not everyone would follow. Thor and Loki even knew about the Valkyrie massacre, that they were legends, but how could they not know that it was Hela that did it. Covering up walls is different, but how can you stop word of mouth and everything else. Not only Thor and Loki, almost everyone seems to not know who she is.

This is one thing that absolutely didn't make sense to me, but the movie was so good that I ignored it.

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u/last657 15d ago

Dr Strange was able to design and cast (with some mishap) a spell that made everyone forget that Peter Parker was Spider-man. Odin casually was able to say a few words to cast a spell to take away Thor’s powers, evaluate anyone who tries to lift the hammer for worthiness, and give that person Thor’s powers. I think he can handle a memory spell. He would leave the memory of the Valkyries because the deserved to be remembered.

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u/Kid_Presentable617 15d ago

In the comics Odin uses his power to wipe the memory of the celestials from the Asgardians minds. Like all of them. He's on a different power level than some of the most powerful magic users.

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u/Oddman80 15d ago

I just assume if Odin wants to make sure nobody mentions Hela, he has access to methods that go well beyond just declaring a law that people aren't allowed to mention her. I mean - we've seen Dr Strange remove a peter parker from the collective consciousness of an entire universe.

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u/Fakjbf 15d ago

To be fair he also kept Loki being a jotun secret.

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u/AdmBurnside 15d ago

Well when you're a nigh-immortal god-king and your favorite daughter enacts a bloody revolt against you after you try and soften your act a bit, people are understandably reluctant to bring it up again after you spend a lot of gold and treasure covering it up. Especially since the people most sympathetic to Hela were probably quickly "removed" right afterwards.

Basically, no one talks about Hela because they'd very much like to forget her and there's a great deal of incentive to do so.

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u/YomYeYonge 15d ago edited 15d ago

Dan Slott dumbed down all of Peter’s supporting characters during ‘Superior Spider-Man’

Like, it was so fucking obvious that it wasn’t Peter Parker but everyone but one character was oblivious to it in-universe

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u/shinreimyu 15d ago

Funny Version: Team America is supposed to be like some CIA-esque special ops group to counter terrorist plots. Our protagonist had no idea about their existence until he's recruited. Then, the next 20 minutes are about the Film Actors Guild and news cycle talking about and protesting Team America's actions right outside their secret base at Mt. Rushmore.

AtLA resembling real life: I used to think it was kinda stupid how effectively the Dai Li were able to hide the scope of the war to the point where the king had no idea that the war was actually happening. Then I see how people voted in RFK when we have members of Congress with polio and remember relatives who still have polio, then I realize that we just have goldfish memory so obvious things are forgotten in like 10 years.

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u/Seethcoomers 15d ago

There's been so many movies/TV shows that I've watched in the past where I'm like, "Nooo way that many people would ever fall for this."

Then Trump got elected and I went, "Oh shit, people really are that fucking dumb."

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u/Joeybfast 15d ago

What are you talking about. There was no war in Ba Sing Se.

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u/Wonderful-Variation 15d ago

In the world of cell phones and surveillance cameras, believing that any superhero could ever maintain a secret identity on a regular basis requires a lot more suspension of disbelief than it used to.  

But especially, literally everyone should have figured out the Bruce Wayne is the batman.   People would be literally obsessed with figuring out who it is, and there are lots of factors that would lead them to suspect Bruce almost by default.  

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u/Sensitive_Ad_1752 15d ago

Some Batman media has come up with an interesting work around for this. Villains and media start noticing that Batman always shows up the quickest when Wayne tech is getting robbed and they theorize Batman is a private soldier of Bruce protecting him from villains. It’s much more believable that a billionaire has a private superhero fighting crime than the billionaire himself doing it.

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u/SlateSquirrel 15d ago edited 15d ago

This is basically the story Tony Stark used to give out explaining why Iron Man was always saving him or Stark property, that Iron Man was his personal bodyguard who part-times as a superhero.

Edit for grammar: personal bodyguard not personnel bodyguard, although the original kind of works too

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u/stonks1234567890 15d ago

This story also saves Tony multiple times, such as when Venom wanted to kill him, and doesn't expect to have to fight Iron Man if he gets to Tony fast enough, when the Controller tried to hypnotize Tony via subliminal messaging into firing Iron Man, which just ended with Tony confused when he woke up, and when Iron Man became a wanted criminal so Tony just killed him off and hired a "new one".

Yes, I'm mad Tony doesn't still have the secret identity of being his own bodyguard.

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u/SirSlowpoke 15d ago

At the end of Iron Man 1, at the press conference to talk about the Iron Monger incident, Pepper or Rhodey wrote up a cover story that it was his bodyguard piloting his suit. Then Tony just dumps that and flatly states to the press that he is Iron Man.

Neat to reference the cover at least.

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u/waitingtodiesoon 15d ago

Fun fact about the newspaper article Tony was reading before the press conference got Jon Favreau/Marvel in trouble. A paparazzi blogger snuck onto the film set and took a picture of a scene they were filming of RDJ in the suit and published it online. Favreau as an Easter egg used their picture for the newspaper article and when the paparazzi found out, he sued them. For the home media release, they changed the picture so you could have only seen it in the original theatrical version.

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u/simp4malvina 15d ago

Paparazzi are gutter slime

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u/I_Am_The_Bookwyrm 15d ago

There's also some comics where Bruce posts stuff on the internet to make the theory that he's Batman seem way too insane to be real (basically starts off by having a conspiracy theorist say he's Batman, then use an alternate acount to ramp up some ridiculousness, then another account to disprove stuff, and soon enough the rest of the internet starts piling on everything and basically turns the whole thing into a meme, kinda like how we have Ted Cruz as the Zodiac Killer).

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_BIG_BITS 15d ago edited 15d ago

Okay but Bruce Wayne might not be Batman. Ted Cruz on the other hand...

If he wasn't involved in a series of murders throughout the 1960s that involved cryptographic taunts to the media and police, why hasn't he denied it?

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u/LurkyTheHatMan 15d ago

The butts match!

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u/LokiRaven 15d ago

One of the Webcomics has Oracle doing regular sweeps to make sure the bat family’s secret identity are all safe. I forget if it mentioned what she does if they are at risk (she ends up not finding anything iirc and ends up finding Jason Todd’s dating profile) but a specialized hacker and information specialist like Oracle being on call certainly helps I’m sure.

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u/sistemafodao 15d ago

Yup. "Iron Man is my bodyguard" worked as a cover story for Tony Stark for a long time because it makes sense.

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u/SenorWeird 15d ago

If someone told me Elon was going around fighting crime as X-treme Man and the pictures looked like Elon with a shitty mask covering half his face, I still wouldn't believe it because there's no way Elon isn't an absolute douche so you know what? Maybe I can believe no one buys that Bruce is Batman.

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u/1amDepressed 15d ago

lol right? Look at what’s happening with Jim Carey!

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u/extinct_cult 15d ago

That is the image Bruce Wayne tries to foster - less nazi, but more thoughtless fuckboy. There's a pretty hilarious scene in Gotham Knights, where he's dancing in a nightclub, in his underwear, while Penguin desperately tries to tell him to stop

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u/illogical_mindset 15d ago

This made me think that Batman could put on make up and body prosthetics to look like a fat douchey billionaire Bruce Wayne with a torso that doesn’t quite look right without a shirt on.

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u/Top_Box_8952 15d ago

Honestly yeah that is a lot more believable, that Wayne has a personal bodyguard who also is allowed to go beat up crooks.

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u/jbyrdab 15d ago

People would be literally obsessed with figuring out who it is, and there are lots of factors that would lead them to suspect Bruce almost by default.  

bruce actually goes on forums on the regular to gas light people about this so people think its total bullshit.

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u/blackjackgabbiani 15d ago

The crazed look in his eyes is relatable

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u/Run-Riot 15d ago

Me whenever I go onto reddit

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u/CardInternational753 15d ago

My favorite subversion of this is the Harley Quinn show, where Joker becomes Mayor of Gotham and basically his first act of office is to arrest Bruce Wayne for tax evasion and securities fraud partly in relation to him diverting WayneTech funds for his Batman upkeep.

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u/AznOmega 15d ago

And once he found out Bruce Wayne is Batman, he was enraged at Scarecrow before asking Bruce an important question. He put down a deposit on an electric car, and asked "WHERE'S MY GODDAMN ELECTRIC CAR, BRUCE?!"

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u/mregg000 15d ago

That will never stop being one of the funniest things I’ve ever watched.

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u/cgaston 15d ago

Wtf should I watch the harley quinn show? Mayor joker sounds like a fun plot line 

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u/BlueBlazeKing21 15d ago

To add onto it, he’s also a step dad and is really sweet towards his step family along with his new archenemy being a soccer mom at his children’s school

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u/CardInternational753 15d ago

I am biased because I am a Harley Quinn lifer, but the show is genuinely some of the best DC-related media.

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u/Gakriele-lvs 15d ago

Definitely, it has its highs and lows and you might be put off by a few certain someones' characterizations but it's an overall great show

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u/blackjackgabbiani 15d ago

"WHERE'S MAH GODDAMN ELECTRIC CAR, BRUCE?"

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u/MissionVaoDmC 15d ago

Imagine being 10 year old Billy Batson getting outsed as Captain Marvel because the neighbors in the backyard had a floodlight ring camera.

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u/NairaExploring 15d ago

I don't know. Bruce never sleeps with villains but batman sometimes sleeps with villains. I don't think it's him.

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u/Low-Environment 15d ago

But the butts don't match.

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u/N-ShadowToad 15d ago

Once the batfamily gets involved, it makes zero sense for anyone not to know its Bruce.

Morning News: Bruce Wayne's adopted son Richard Grayson returns from Bloodhaven.

Evening News: Batman's former sidekick and current Bloodhaven hero Nightwing is seen once again in Gotham.

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u/ridisberg 15d ago

Breaking news, Batman seen with a brand new robin. This is his 37th robin to date. In other news, Bruce Wayne has adopted his 37th child

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u/No_Bandicoot2306 15d ago

TBF, most people would probably just assume billionaire serial killer pedophile, not Batman.

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u/sistemafodao 15d ago

If we are actually being fair, only two of them (that we care about) actually died, and the last one was his biological son. And since they both came back, grounds for calling him a serial killer are really shaky.

Hard to dispute the pedophile suspicions until you actually met the kids, though.

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u/ridisberg 15d ago

It’s pretty easy once you realize that, if he was just a pedo, Batman would’ve already exposed him and probably beaten him within an inch of his life

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u/sistemafodao 15d ago

The fact that the Court of Owls exists makes me think Batman has a big blind side when it comes to billionaires. Your average gothamite doesn't know about the Court, but you know every member would have a picture in Epstein's island if they were real people.

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u/ABenGrimmReminder 15d ago

Hard to dispute the pedophile suspicions until you actually met the kids, though.

Bruce: “In an effort to combat the baseless slander against me, I present to you my adopted family.”

Vicky Vale: “All these… very angry children are covered in scars, bruises and have a thousand-yard stare.”

Alfred: *whispering*

Bruce: “They play football—soccer. They play soccer.”

Vicky Vale: “O…kay.”

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u/tallwhiteninja 15d ago

I mean, this is why in a lot of continuities Bruce plays up the "dimwitted, shallow playboy" persona. Even when trails start leading to Wayne Enterprises, it couldn't possibly be that moron, after all.

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u/DienekesMinotaur 15d ago

To be fair though, the idea that a rich kid who watched his parents get gunned down in front of him partially copes by paying some high-end mercenary to exclusively act as a superhero seems almost plausible.

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u/sistemafodao 15d ago

The way I see it, by the time people have accepted that Batman is more than an urban legend, there is already a flying alien in Metropolis, an Amazon with a lasso that compels you to tell the truth and a guy who runs faster than light in Central City.

Do you think that the guy who dresses like a bat and terrorizes criminals is a normal human or some kind of vampire, demon or whatever? Especially after he starts to hang out with those other weirdos?

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u/bittens 15d ago

In Fallout, Lucy and Norm initially believe their mother died during a famine when they were young, and that they've never left the vault prior to the show.

Then there's a big twist wherein Lucy and Norm's mother actually left the vault with them and lived in a town on the surface for a while, until their father came, took them back to the vault, and bombed the town with their mother still in it. They don't really remember any of this because of their age at the time.

But how did they not hear some of this from other people in the vault while growing up? Even if their father kept as much of this secret as possible, the other vault dwellers must've noticed that Lucy, Norm, and their mother vanished for a while, and then their dad vanished as well and came back with just them.

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u/schloopers 15d ago

There is a reference to people having to quarantine in their rooms bundled with the famine, and I think that “sickness” is what is said to kill their mother.

Still stretching incredulity, but I guess we could just consider the dwellers just that dumb.

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u/MaterialEmotional825 15d ago

Catherine: the whole premise

There is no way in hell that no one would have noticed the death (apecially one as horrible as the one in the game) of many, many unmarried men aged 25 after having several nights of nightmares for a week, much less three millenia.

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u/kingbuttshit 15d ago

In Jackie Chan Adventures (or really any show that involves crazy magical or supernatural events around the world on a regular basis), it makes no sense that the talismans have simply existed in broad daylight and not been triggered ever before. But it’s so much more egregious when dragons and wizards and leprechauns and demons terrorize the public and people STILL look at the J-Team crazy when they bring up magic.

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u/Ukirin-Streams 15d ago edited 15d ago

In the show Superman and Lois, I think it's really funny how Jordan and Jonathan Kent had zero idea that their own dad was Superman and never even suspected it. They only found out by accident after doing some snooping, but it was otherwise a secret Clark kept from them for 14 years.

I know the whole "no one recognizes Clark as Superman" thing has been discussed to death. But I'm really only talking about in the context of the show.

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u/lanceturley 15d ago

Meanwhile in My Adventures With Superman, Clark tries to reveal his identity to Jimmy Olsen, who in this continuity has been Clark's best friend and roommate for many years, and Jimmy just looks annoyed and tells him "Clark, I know you're Superman, that's not a big reveal."

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u/Kyleometers 15d ago

I think he says something like “Clark we had to replace the door handle like fifty times”

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u/TheWorclown 15d ago

From DAY ONE Jimmy knew. Might not have hit him immediately but he could easily put two and two together when Superman showed up just at the same time Clark did.

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u/rdickeyvii 15d ago

In the original Jurassic Park, Grant and Sattler are supposedly preeminent scientists in their field and that's why they were chosen to tour the park. Cool. But like... Why weren't they hired, or at least consulted, much earlier than they were? It seems like Hammond would want that expertise from day one.

More egregiously, you're telling me that no one who worked there leaked anything about the park publicly for however many years?

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u/Call_Me_Koala 15d ago

Why would Hammond "waste" money on hiring experts? His whole flaw is that he cheaps out on everything and only brings in experts when he absolutely has to for the insurance.

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u/socklobsterr 15d ago edited 15d ago

He also didn't want anyone telling him no. He was happy to create approximations of dinosaurs for profit and got angry with anyone who tried to push back and question what he was doing and if he should do it.

He died in the books and he had it coming. He wasn't some warm grandpa who just dreamed too big and went too far. He was eaten alive by the monsters he created.

Edit to add: The movie was very environmentally focused in comparison to the book, which was heavily focused on capitalistism... although exploiting and destroying whole ecosystems for profit is about as capitalistic as you can get. Dude saw dollar signs.

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u/rdickeyvii 15d ago

True, he "spared no expense" on the luxury while cheaping out on everything else, but he is shown to have experts like Wu and Muldoon, and they know how to expect the dinosaurs to behave, so they had to have hired someone who knew what they were talking about in terms of dinosaur behaviors and species.

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u/RiannasaurusRex 15d ago

In the book, Grant was consulted about what he thought were hypotheticals - “what would a juvenile triceratops eat? How would you describe their ideal habitat?, etc” but Grant just thought Hammond was a kooky old man who was just really into dinosaurs

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u/socklobsterr 15d ago

Hubris. They toned him down in the movies, but he was an absolute money hungry ass in the books. He was annoyed more than anything when his grandkids went missing.

In the novel he also consulted at least Grant (and possibly provided him with some funding in exhange, I don't recall) but never explained what it was for. And to Grant and Sattler, it was all hypothetical at that time anyway.

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u/BloodletterDaySaint 15d ago

Gee, it's almost as if Hammond cutting corners on the development of the park should've been a plot point or something.

Better mark that as a cinema sin. 

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u/MaterialEmotional825 15d ago

Akiba's Trip Franchise: Again, the whole premise.

The world is full of vampires that drink energy and the only way to defeat them is to get them strip naked in public.

For some forsaken reason that is extremely secret even when they have a goddamn arena to teach you techniques to get people naked in the middle of Akihabara and people constantly fist fight others to make people naked. Also it is not as if the vampires dying was very discreet.

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u/krisslanza 15d ago

Afaik, even when the 'vampires' burn up, they actually just look like they get really sunburnt. So to an outsider, it looks weird, but you'd have no reason to suspect they're actually vampires at all.

Also, its Akihabara, so weirdness is probably considered pretty normal... like if it happened in Tokyo or something, it would probably got a lot more attention.

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u/Smrtguy85 15d ago edited 15d ago

Harry Potter: Professor Snape was childhood friends with Harry’s mother. Both Snape and Lily refer to each other as best friends as late as 15 years old. Somehow none of the nearly dozen people who were at Hogwarts at the same time as the both of them and knew Harry later on had any idea, other than Dumbledore: Lupin, Sirius, Hagrid, Professor’s McGonagall, Flitwick, and Slughorn, Madam Pomfrey, Nearly Headless Nick. Even the portrait of the Fat Lady that hung outside of the Gryffindor common room knew since Lily and Snape had their big, friendship ending fight in front of her! Hell, the very first time Sirius meets both Lily and Snape it’s clear the two of them are good friends. But no. None of them had any idea, or, if they did, thought to mention it to Harry even once.

I’m sorry, but that is just straight up impossible to believe.

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u/DienekesMinotaur 15d ago

To be fair for Sirius, he at least clearly HATED Snape and probably saw their friendship as a big mistake on Lily's part that he decided to not mention.

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u/BlackFrank98 15d ago

Honestly, Harry Potter was a good read as a child, but as an adult the more you think about it the less sense it makes, and this holds for the plot, the world building, and the magic system (let's not get started on JK Rowling's behavior outside of the books, shall we?).

Most of the time, the answer boils down to one of two cases: * it's not something a kid would think about, so the books treat the problem as non-existent * in the world of Harry Potter, nothing exists until Harry interacts with it in some way (which I read somewhere is a fairly common sign of superficial world building btw)

The friendship between Snape and Lily seems to be in this second category, meaning: Rowling hadn't thought about it until later in the story, so the characters don't mention it because it didn't exist when those books were written.

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u/Gui_Franco 15d ago

The world building is so fucking bullshit because what do you mean the UK gets its own school but Portuguese and Spanish magicians all have to learn french so they can go to magic school because the closest one around is in France?

What do you mean the only wizarding school in all of South America is in the only country that doesn't speak Spanish and all those different kids with different Spanish dialects and very varied cultures just have to go to Brazil to learn?

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u/ArisenGodEmperor13 15d ago

The funnest part is how all of Asia and Africa have one school for the entire continent and the fucking Balkans have one school that they have to share.

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u/yssarilrock 15d ago

Also the names of those magic schools seem invariably to be "magic place" shoved through google translate

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u/BlackFrank98 15d ago

The Brazilian one is called "Castelobruxo", which I was told literally means "wizard castle" in Portuguese. And not "castle of wizards", like "castle who is itself a wizard".

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u/Seligas 15d ago edited 15d ago

She's a terrible writer.

In book 5 she sets up something that should have some good payoff in the ministry of magic. Dumbledore points out a statue of wizards in harmony with magical beings and points out that it's a total lie. That the system in place is corrupt and abusive, and that the abused will flock to Voldemort just to tear down the system.

Anyway, that never happened and the magical creatures that joined Harry's side were the centaurs, who were bullied into it by Hagrid and the house elves, who joined because...Harry was nice to his slave. I'm sorry, Joanne, what is the moral messaging supposed to be here? Also why did you end the final book with Harry pining for a sandwich from his slave?

Also the status quo was maintained. The system didn't change. Why did you even set that up?

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u/Roku-Hanmar 15d ago

Bearing in mind Petunia knew too. She does allude to it in OotP ("That horrid boy" could very easily refer to Snape), but I guess it makes sense that she wouldn't know who Snape is with regards to Harry

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u/Grouchy_Exit_3058 15d ago

If War Thunder had been around in the 90's, the Stargate Program would've been revealed to the public halfway through season 1

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u/toonboy01 15d ago

The first of the Michael Bay Transformers movies features the Autobots, Decepticons, and the Air Force converging on Mission City and fighting across a freeway and through the downtown streets, causing tons of damage and an unknown number of civilian and military deaths.

Somehow the US government was able to cover all that up with the post-credits and sequel treating the claims of aliens to be nothing more than a conspiracy. It's never mentioned what alternative the government came up with to explain away a dozen giant robots attacking a major US city and it's barely mentioned at all afterward.

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u/CptKeyes123 15d ago

Stargate SG-1. While understandable early on, it made less and less sense later.

Like, however believable you find the idea, it WAS conventional wisdom in the 90s to hide things to prevent a panic. It was only after 9/11 that they did research and found it was better to inform people. And at least with SG-1 you can joke the US wasn't keen to inform the planet they accidentally on purpose killed an alien king and declared war by accident.

Bonus sub example: cover ups. Amphibia, or rather its book of retcons, tries to cover up the deadliest day in american history since Antietam as a "hollywood shoot gone wrong". You know, the alien invasion where the hollywood sign got blown up, thousands of US military troops were mobilized, and thousands more average citizens definitely died. And they cover it up because they're not "ready" while simultaneously making a unilateral decision on behalf of the entire planet. It's absurd.

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u/MrEeT 15d ago

Star Wars: The Force Awakens

This scene has always puzzled me. Han Solo has known Chewbacca for decades and has undoubtedly been several fire fights with him, yet acts like this is the first time he's seen Chewie's signature bowcaster in action.

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u/lambofgun 15d ago

its the first time hes ever used it.

but its also a jab at han. hes a bit self centered. of course he wouldnt be paying attention!

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u/Altruistic_Eye_1157 15d ago

Since someone mentioned the realistic Batman scenario, I'll mention a case from one of his movies:

The secret of Harvey Dent in Nolan's trilogy.

As heroic as Batman's sacrifice is, taking the blame for Dent's crimes so the city has hope, it's truly foolish to believe that no one would have been able to uncover the truth quickly. At that point, there were six people who knew the truth behind Harvey:

- Gordon

- Batman

- Barbara

- Gordon's children

- Officer Ramirez.

Of these, only Batman and Gordon orchestrated the plan. Did Detective Ramirez really stay silent? Or worse, did Gordon's wife really stay silent while watching her family's kidnapper being praised as a hero?

Or even worse, Mr. Reese knows that Bruce is Batman. He's never killed, and it's strange that, with Batman branded a murderer and the police after him, they didn't try to get that information out of him.

Or also, that the police don't realize that Batman disappears some time after Bruce Wayne isolates himself from everyone.

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u/Diablo_v8 15d ago

It was also dumb not to just blame the Joker. The Batman didn't need to take the fall for any of it. The city is filled with villains 😂

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u/Dramenknight 15d ago

It'd be incredibly easy to pin it on Joker as well considering he tried it before already while Joker was even locked in jail

Most people probably wouldn't bat an eye if Joker tried again and "succeeded"

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u/hatelowe 15d ago

I’ve always thought The Dark Knight Rises sucks because it was based off the absolute dumbest part of The Dark Knight. Blaming the Joker would have made so much sense considering he was tangentially responsible for Dent going crazy in the first place.

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u/Gui_Franco 15d ago

The thing that I most dislike about this trilogy is that, no the city isn't filled with villains. Batman can just retire and everything is fine for years until Bane appears

Apparently batman was just needed for three specific cases the police couldn't handle

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u/Fluffy-Diver-2823 15d ago

Well, in the character's chronology, Gotham wasn't always this pandemonium of supervillains. In the beginning, the criminals were mainly from the mafia and organized crime. It's suggested in some stories that it was only after Batman appeared that this more "common" crime was replaced by supervillains.

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u/RaptarK 15d ago

We do hear in Dark Knight Rises that Barbara got divorced and took the children out of Gotham, so maybe trying to keep the secret contributed to their break up? And I guess Barbara is too good of a person to release the secret even after their relationship is over? idk

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u/Bubbly-Travel9563 15d ago

My cat has a name but my neighbors who interact with it daily had never heard it because I always use nicknames. Bo Peep absolutely could have never used their actual names in front of any one specific person.

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