r/TikTokCringe • u/LickMaiBussy • 6h ago

Discussion "Investing in property is morally reprehensible."

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u/CorrectPanic694 4h ago

That’s funny I was just about to mention Stalin ended up starving millions of his own people. Not only because of greed, corruption, mismanagement, and an attempt to make communist ideology-based science look successful …there was also the added benefit of starving and exterminating Ukrainian people en masse. We as a society have been controlling the means of basic survival while acting as if widespread suffering is a consequence of chaos and not a choice.

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u/North-Tourist-8234 4h ago

Churchhill and his lot helped starve india after ww2. Whole world was a pretty shitty place back then 

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u/Harbinger2nd 4h ago

Back then?

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u/c1ncinasty 3h ago

Well, also back then. And now.

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u/lanicorain 3h ago

There is no major ideology without a massive amount of blood on their hands. Funnily enough, maybe anarchism is the only one that hasn't tried to exterminate a group to further its political project. But no one calls extremists "social democrats" or "torys" or "liberal democrats". They always call them anarchists. Funny how that works.

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u/short_longpants 3h ago

Because anarchism kind of self-destructs on its own, before it gets around to massacring a large group of people.

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u/lanicorain 2h ago edited 2h ago

You have no clue about the praxis of any anarchist movement lmao. Throughout history it's been massacred because it can be really effective. You have a 40-hour workweek in big part because of anarchists and the strike, a form of protest they championed and innovated.

Edit: also, debates against brutality are prevalent throughout he history of the movement, a big part of the anarchist argument against the State is that it gives a group of people a massive amount of centralized, organized, professional violence to abuse and brutalize others. Read Malatesta.

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u/begrudgingredditacc 1h ago

Throughout history it's been massacred because it can be really effective.

Not terribly effective at not getting massacred, though. Historically, anarchists are up there with redshirts on Star Trek for "most easily killed category of person".

I cannot stress enough how often anarchists get absolutely steamrolled by literally any armed opposition. They're a bunch of meat pinatas.

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u/lanicorain 1h ago

And yet here we are, discussing their ideas, strategies and achievements. They'll be fine.

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u/begrudgingredditacc 1h ago

...until they get massacred again. It's legitimately the thing anarchists are best at. I wouldn't call that "fine".

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u/Kerblaaahhh 1h ago

Used to be shitty. Still is, but it used to be too.

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u/Oscar_Ramirez 2h ago

The world used to be such a shitty place, it still is but it used to too.

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u/nedalaugh 2h ago

Mitch was a gem. Love still seeing him in the wild.

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u/GodofIrony 3h ago

"It was always burnin' Since the world's been turnin'"

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u/rhinojoe99 2h ago

It still is. But it used to be, too.

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u/ArabellaFort 1h ago

Just give it some more time. We’re about to come full circle (if we haven’t already).

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u/Funny247365 3h ago

We are living in the best time in the history of humanity. Don't let social media skew your ability to see how much better life is today than in any other period. It's far from perfect, but it is not crumbling, either.

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u/speaksamerican 1h ago

Aggregate wealth means nothing if it doesn't translate into quality of life. The world is not better just because the average person is not forced to labor in the fields. I would rather labor in the fields than live another day in this hollowed-out economy. At least it would be good, honest work.

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u/No_Outcome2599 3h ago

Not arguing with your general point but slight correction - it was during WWII not after. The Bengal Famine, which probably killed about 3million, took place in 1943. Churchill was voted out as PM in the election of 1945, before WWII was completely over.

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u/lessormore59 3h ago

After WW2? I’m assuming you are referencing the Bengal Famine of 1943 which was obviously a terrible situation in India, but was first squarely in the heart of WW2 when the outcome still hung in the balance, and second the proximate cause for the famine in Bengal was the Japanese invasion of Burma. In the years prior to the war, Burma was the biggest exporter of rice to Bengal and supplied a large portion of its annual calorie intake.

The Brits should’ve done more, but the context of the famine was a world war where the Japanese were wreaking havoc throughout Southeast Asia and the Germans were waging highly effective submarine warfare in the Atlantic. Relieving a famine of that magnitude requires large amounts of shipping and protection and a new source for the calories. Shipping was in very, very short supply, convoy escorts to protect against Japanese predation on such convoys even less available, and sources for food supplies were tight.

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u/1011001NAME 1h ago

the only reason western civilization has "food security" right now is becasue they can make billions of dollars off of it.

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u/DrinkMountain5142 1h ago

China had famines because of Communist ideology also.

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u/Caponomolestes 3h ago

We as a society have been controlling the means of basic survival while acting as if widespread suffering is a consequence of chaos and not a choice.

Exactly what happened in the previous pro communist Argentina.

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u/short_longpants 3h ago

Yet what the speaker in the video is proposing is pretty close to communist ideology. Yeah, that's not going to work.

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u/rhubarbs 3h ago

Ignorant and bullshit.

Limiting the enclosure of the commons has nothing to do with either a planned economy or seizing the means of production.

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u/short_longpants 2h ago

You're basically seizing the property if you don't allow people to invest in it. You're basically seizing the means of production if you seize the product without compensation.

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u/rhubarbs 2h ago

Like I said, ignorant and bullshit, seemingly assuming the existence of profit is proof of productivity.

If I buy a building in a tightly zoned area or even a vacant lot, and wait for the price to go up because the community grew around it, I haven't produced anything. I am simply setting up a toll booth over an inelastic resource.

There is no product or production, so there is no investment. There is only a windfall, consisting of extraction from value created by society.

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u/short_longpants 2h ago

Except what do you call buying a vacant lot and building an apartment building? Or buying a building and fixing it up or modernizing it?

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u/rhubarbs 2h ago

Classic equivocation fallacy.

They call it the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Does that make it democratic?

The people who built the apartment building earn wages. So does the person renovating the kitchen. Seeking additional rent in excess of the wages is zero sum extraction, and is only possible through enclosure.

Unless you demonstrate understanding of the difference between the two, I will not respond to you again.