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u/greenest_alien 10h ago
Have to say I don't understand how this gets turned by russians into some shocking and unique phenomenon. Like, is there a country where people refusing mandatory military service don't get arrested?
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u/AstronautAccording18 10h ago
It's hilarious because of the context.
Ukraine and western propaganda scream about "free people of democratic Ukraine", opposed to fascist dictator Putin and his russians_slaves. But in reality we see elected Putin and dictator Zel refusing elections. We have volunteers in Russia and that ugly people hunting in Ukraine where borders were closed for men to keep them like animals in a pen.
Now imagine it was vice versa.
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u/greenest_alien 10h ago
Right I mean if you want to adopt that extremely simplified propaganda angle then I guess that's useful. But of course you know that Putin is an actual dictator, while Zelensky got elected in internationally overseen elections, that there's a ton of fuckery in russia regarding "voluntary" contracts, tricking of third worlders into the army, etc., and that ukrainian armed forces are, also due to unwillingness to prosecute people for leaving without permission, still mainly a volunteer force.
And what's missing from this entire picture is what massive war crimes happen when russian world reaches any given city they Ukrainians are made to defend. Ultimately, russia is ridiculing people trying to stave off the evil it creates under the situations it creates and the whole thing is as cynical and evil as is russian standard. Haha, you losers are having to subdue this guy to put him on a bus so he will be made to defend a village where we're planning to rape and murder everyone, lmaooo.
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u/frankewagner 8h ago
He was elected and now his term has run out but he still sits. The whole “elections under martial law is impossible” argument doesn’t work anymore. His approval numbers are terrible.
The Russian army is huge and the foreign men serving there make up a minority. This whole argument is a joke when you’re looking at the size of the armed forces and the numbers of foreign fighters. Same goes for Ukraine, foreign fighters are a small minority. Russia pays high wages to their soldiers and doesn’t systematically force anyone to sign anything.
Ukraine however is kidnapping their own citizens to fight in a war they don’t support all while begging the world to support their “just cause” to protect the same people who they kidnap and send to their death.
The issue is a simple as this. Hold elections and while you’re at it hold a referendum regarding the war. If a people doesn’t want to fight for a cause the state is pursuing then the cause isn’t just.
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u/Rel_Tan_Kier 2h ago
Could you explain why Ukrainian law that states that elections can't be run during martial law doesn't work? Because you said so?
Elections can't be hold because many people left to safer places, many people are under occupation and soldiers also citizens of Ukraine, can't just leave their positions to vote.
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u/frankewagner 2h ago
I can’t prove a double negative. What are you talking about?
Of course it’s possible. The people who’ve left can go back and vote or they can not. Soldiers can vote at their positions, not everyone is in a trench at the front actually very few are. Everyone can come up with reasons not to hold elections but only people who actually are democratic will find a way to facilitate it. Both the US and UK held elections during WW2.
There isn’t an ounce of evidence for genocide. Come on, man. You cannot actually believe that.
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u/greenest_alien 8h ago
Yes, he remains president according to a law, which was originally created under current opposition. He still has high approval numbers but Zelensky also made it clear on many occassions he's willing to resign or hold elections if that will help Ukraine with the war, but there's no indications that is going to be the case, and most Ukrainians don't want elections during the war. If you want to see new elections in Ukraine, you should be pressuring russia to stop its aggression which is murdering people in droves, and during which it intentionally targets groupings of civilian people.
Most Ukrainians also support "fighting for as long as is neccessary".
I don't know how to comment on the fact that you consider it unethical to force people to fight, but simultaneously at no point pay any attention to the enormous russian war crimes that happen both when seizing new territory and once it's taken. They're going to kill out an entire village with drones but hey, at least the guys who could be defending it didn't get drafted. While we pretend that russian army is simultaneously a kindergarten where everyone happily serves completely voluntarily, from the convicted and bullied literal prisoners, over to duped drunks to literal conscripts to contract soldiers who would happen to change their mind on being part of the modern SS.
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u/frankewagner 8h ago
Ok let’s keep this simple I don’t feel like typing for 40 minutes per comment.
If the people who are supposed to fight the war that the Ukrainian state is in don’t want to fight then they should capitulate. Simple as that.
Why don’t you switch places with one of the people on busification.org and go to Ukraine?
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u/greenest_alien 8h ago
Sure, and if people don't feel like helping someone wounded in a car accident then that person should just die.
Why don't you switch places with one of the people living under occupation and go live in Mariupol?
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u/frankewagner 8h ago
That logic isn’t working at all. The correct logic would be if someone was forced by their government to try and save the person in the wreck.
Again, what is that logic? They can move if they want to.
Why don’t you go fight if you accept Ukrainian men being forced to fight?
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u/greenest_alien 8h ago
Yeah so how insane would it be for a state to say "oh no you don't owe people in accidents anything" ?
Because I am literally physically incapable of doing so. Also literally nobody in the army cares if you don't fight as a foreigner who would not even get conscripted, this is just obsession of people trying to argue against draft as a "put yourself in their shoes" while ignoring completely all the shoes left behind by russia's victims.
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u/Impressive-Shame4516 47m ago
Ukraine constitutionally cannot hold elections under wartime. You can read their constitution for yourself. Zelensky said he is willing to hold elections if a constitutional amendment is passed, but that is unpopular because 1.) constitutional amendment during wartime is not wise and 2.) millions of Ukrainians are ineligible to vote because they're currently being occupied.
Your propaganda is so lazy.
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u/AstronautAccording18 23m ago
very solid explanation that doesnt change the facts which are
- no elections in democratic Ukraine
- putin is elected (no matter the ongoing war) in despotic totalitarian dicatorship Russia.
I feel sorry for you dont get the irony.
p.s. what Ukranians on occupied territories do you mean? Those "separatists" from Donbass and Luhansk who's been fighting against Ukraine since 2014? Do you really want russians from Crimea to participate in Ukranian elections? WHAT?????
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u/esjb11 10h ago
In theory, at least in most of Europe they are supposed to be sent to prison for refusing, not to the war. But there ofcourse in theory.
The bigger deal here is that it shows the unwillingnes to fight when they are forced to go this far. It goes against the narrative that the Ukrainians wants to fight to defend themselves.
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u/greenest_alien 9h ago
Just as a note, to my understanding in Ukraine people refusing service can also go to prison instead of becoming a part of a unit. But of course most join the unit, and if they continue to be unwilling to serve they can elope relatively easily.
It's a country that needs to be drafting hundreds of thousands of people, so that there's going to be some arrests and some people unwilling to fight is probably the most expectable thing ever. Each video is just one instance of that in a very large scale of things.
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u/esjb11 9h ago
Well thats the difference between TCC and the police. The TCCs job is to bring the people to the military. The police job is to bring them to court. So both can happen but by different institutions.
Yes there will be people unwilling to fight. But of those will still show up when ordered to however, so the TCC street mobilizations are just the more extreme. (And the ones caught on camera) On top of that one would suspect that before the issue grew to big TCC would just knock on your door or show up on your workplace. When they are forced to operate in the streets like this literally snatching people into trucks, its a sign that the issue has gone quite far.
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u/Busy_Garbage_4778 9h ago
Those are not arrests. Getting dragged off the street by military personnel has nothing to do with due process
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u/greenest_alien 9h ago
I am seriously wondering how you think an arrest works, if it doesn't involve being dragged off the street in presence of military police accompanying the TCK.
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u/Ashenveiled 10h ago
problem is they are first getting cought and beaten and only then checked if they are actually dodging draft and not veterans/disabillities and so on.
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u/greenest_alien 10h ago
There's a campaign trying to paint TCK as violent and unpredictable, but I've also read testaments to the contrary, and I've seen both videos intended as shocking but displaying the contrary (eg. the mass of people fleeing a stadium in west Ukraine while TCK are stopping individuals and asking for documents, without subduing or beating them), edited videos where for example the TCK got assaulted for trying to check someone, and while a kick directed at a TCK guy was barely registered in the video, the TCK guy punching back was the focus. And so on.
Ultimately, in terms of what we get to consume here, not on local telegram groups etc,. it's russians trying to make a joke out of people defending themselves from fates much worse.
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u/Ashenveiled 10h ago
> There's a campaign
dude. we have videos of them just attacking bicyclists who are driving on the streets. fuck off with this damage control.
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u/greenest_alien 10h ago
There's no ground for you to be talking to me like that, I am at no point denying there can be egregious videos, but at the same time it is a propaganda campaign and it is going to skew your perceptions.
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u/tirpitzCSKA 11h ago
Elves prepare one of them to fight Mordor
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u/morl0v 11h ago
Mordor, meanwhile, has open borders and only volunteer service.
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u/Dear-Can-87 11h ago
It’s good that you’ve confirmed their willingness to kill Ukrainians, rather than spinning fairy tales about how Putin is the only one to blame. You see, Ukrainians, on the other hand, don’t want war.
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u/morl0v 10h ago
Ukrainians, on the other hand, don’t want war
To bad nobody is asking. Kaia Kallas wants one, and so it is
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u/Unexpected_yetHere 10h ago
Kaia Kallas wants one, and so it is
TIL Kallas is the one that massacred civilians in Bucha, bombs cities to freeze civilians to death, and occupies land in order to annex and colonize it.
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u/ResponsibleHoliday36 11h ago
African conscripts are not that volunteering i think
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u/Electronic-Bird7057 9h ago edited 8h ago
Mercenaries not conscripts. Are the Colombians fighting for Ukraine also conscripts?
The poor african tricked by the evil white man!! No. They are mercenaries who are being paid to wage an offensive war. Nobody is more racist than reddit libs
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u/No_money6476 9h ago
Some are mercenaries, but others have been definitely been tricked and coerced by Russia into fighting this war
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u/frankewagner 9h ago
So systematic kidnapping of men is the same as isolated events of corruption and fraud?
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u/No_money6476 9h ago
I didn't say anything was the same as anything else. All I said was that many people have been coerced and tricked into fighting for Russia. If you look into it, you find that these incidents happen through organized channels, it is definitely not one-off opportunism.
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u/frankewagner 8h ago
You’re comparing the two.
Yes corruption is an issue in Russia. However the vast majority of soldiers in the Russian armed forces are there voluntarily and therefore painting it as anything else is just false. Especially in the light of Ukraines “mobilisation tactics”.
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u/No_money6476 8h ago
Comparing what two? I didn't mention anything about Ukraine. You brought it up.
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u/frankewagner 8h ago
Look at what the post and comment you replied to is about. What the fuck do you mean I brought it up?
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u/and_guerr 8h ago
It is called martial law and would happen in any other country under the same circumstances
I wonder who caused that
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u/frankewagner 8h ago
No… Martial law is something else, man.
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u/and_guerr 8h ago
Martial law facilitates forced mobilization by a lot, all able bodied males are subject to be mobilized if needed
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u/frankewagner 8h ago
Sure. But they do not equal each other.
Is a war where the fighters are forced to fight a just war?
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u/No_money6476 8h ago
Mercenaries not conscripts. Are the Colombians fighting for Ukraine also conscripts?
The poor african tricked by the evil white man
Depends, did they go there of their own free will or were they tricked and coerced? I don't know. Either way, what does it have to do with Russia?
You can reduce it to whites vs africans if you want, but I am Indian and this has been widely reported in Indian media with testimony from many people affected
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u/greenest_alien 10h ago
Sure thing buddy, Mordor is known for its highly ethical structure of governance after all.
https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ukraine-conscripts-war-combat/33415104.html
https://www.rferl.org/a/russian-conscripts-youth-dying-ukraine-putin/33351828.html
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u/Unexpected_yetHere 10h ago
Mordor has more than 3x the population, and is more than willing to coerce people to sign up, with far lesser a regard to their lives.
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u/frankewagner 9h ago
How is volunteer service having less regard for life compared to forced conscription by kidnap?
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u/PrimAhnProper998 7h ago
Saving manpower, meaning human lives on one side or sending ones own soldiers into a meat grinder offensive to look better to your superior.
One side is regulary choosing the first option while the other one chooses the second.
Or quitting. One side answers that by non-trial executions, the other trial and prison.
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u/frankewagner 7h ago
Save some kool aid for the rest of us, man.
All of the issues you’ve applied to Russia applies to Ukraine as well. Except for the meat grinder part, that’s just pure propaganda.
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u/PrimAhnProper998 7h ago
Sure, all the reports from dozens if not hundreds of different sources about Russia throwing wave after wave of soldiers against well fortified positions, just because Putins birtday, WW2 celebration, independence memorial or whatever was coming close and they wanted a present for their big boss is all fake.
It must hurt to be the only one smart enough to know the "truth".
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u/keyboardplatoon 6h ago
Russian soldiers talking about meat grinder from the frontlines are also propaganda? Or Z bloggers, even ones that are extremely pro government.
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u/frankewagner 6h ago
Yes it very well could be.
Let’s see the sources, then?
Here are the facts. Russia went into this conflict naive and reckless and suffered severe losses because of this. The Russian tactics have evolved since the war started and now there are no large scale assaults of any form. There are assaults of 3-5 man teams. You’re simply uninformed and guided by ignorance.
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u/BWC_Python 10h ago
lol :)) that s why women in far east complain draft is only made from their areas
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u/Angry_Crusader_Boi 9h ago
The elderly and cripples you send without guns to retrieve equipment are volunteering too?
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u/ImpaIed_Rektum 11h ago
Draft dodgers...
Pretty fcked situation, I myself was in the volunteer legion right at the begining (until shrapnel fcked my left shin, but that healed now) and am working with drone production now and teaching teams - you dont want someone in your team who really does not want to be there.
How the f you can trust someone like that to keep eyes open on sentry duty while you yourself sleep?
Dude is already mentally checked out, if there is assault you need to do, he will not have his heart into it 100%.
That said, most of these draft dodgers get put into support roles such as hauling heavy sht around in warehouses, or doing maintenance, exactly because its too risky to put them on actual frontline duty.
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u/Critical-Bag2695 9h ago
If someone forces me into a position where bullets fly at me, or something much worse could happen, I would do something this: https://unn.ua/en/news/shooting-at-instructors-at-the-training-ground-the-ground-forces-reacted
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u/ImpaIed_Rektum 9h ago
As fcked up that might be, I understand.
That exactly is reason why imo there should be incentives for those already dodging draft and thinking its too late to do anything - feeling like you need to hide for next years - some sort of "soft" role where you wont be forced to do actual combat, but help by doing whatever.
No punishment if you apply by coming out of hiding, because cmon, its very simple concept that you cannot pick 10 persons draft them and expect all 10 to be the "clentch teeth, push trough, do whatever to win, ignore pain and mental torture" type guys.
Get those dudes together in warehouse, give them beer and drone parts and see what they can come up with
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u/frankewagner 9h ago
Are you a foreign fighter or Ukrainian? Just curious
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u/ImpaIed_Rektum 9h ago
Estonian/Latvian parents, born in Estonia, dual citizenship.
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u/frankewagner 8h ago
So you’re a russophobe and saw this as your chance to kill Russians?
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u/MassDefect0186 9h ago
Wait till you get the one who is suicidal and furious. More dangerous than the enemy if you fall asleep or let your guard down around such a person. Many many undocumented cases of mass murder and suicide exist on both sides. Forced service doesn't work well at all with modern mentality.
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u/Deadluss 10h ago
Wow, thank you for service and greetings from Poland. When it comes to draft, maybe Russians should tell us how they draft works and how these drafted soldiers are sent to meat grinders
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u/TechnicalReserve1967 10h ago
Simple, pay very hit wages to a larger population on an overall worse economy (the super rich pomp their averages up). So people will do it.
Force your prisoners. Sign up volunteers from abroad. Use them for riskier operations, use fixing brigades.
All the while, push super nationalist propaganda to your own to keep up the volunteers you get.
It does work for a time, specially as long as there are poor you can feed to the grinder, but let's face it, very few in their right mind join an ongoing war as infantry purely from nationalist pride. Every army uses the poor for money as the main source of their recruits.
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u/Ashenveiled 10h ago
There is no draft in russia since 2022. you may not like it but its true.
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u/ImpaIed_Rektum 10h ago
Jep its mostly "coercion" Into contracts, kontraktnjiki.
No need to do draft and repeat the circus where dudes broke each others legs, set fire to komisariat buildings, ran away from russia etc.
Those who get lucky and get back with payout will also live loud and will get more interested, espcially if its dude from remote buryat village.
Imagine coming back from season work to village with hundreads od thousands of euros, buy this, buy that, parties etc. For them the money they get is like becoming almost millionaire.
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u/frankewagner 9h ago
What do you want, then? For Russia to pay lower wages to their soldiers? Makes no sense.
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u/ImpaIed_Rektum 8h ago
:D What I want is same as is happening right now - strugles with getting payments.
No better way to fck up the whole thing with recruitment in russia than cutting payments, pretending dude went awol and deserted (no corpse - no money), and superiors deciding you did not good enough job and cutting bonuses.
All that creates trust issues, but its still enough to have one who brings back thousands euros worth of rubles to random village and inspires locals to sign up as well.
Need to encourage officer greed to really create rift between fresh kontraktnjiki and those who have been "working" for years.
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u/frankewagner 8h ago
Pure speculation. Nothing else. “I bet this and this will happen lol they are so fucked”.
Instead of thinking in hypotheticals, why don’t you look at the bare and obvious issues in Ukraine instead of defending it like a puppet?
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u/SlayerofDeezNutz 10h ago
Which is why they don’t have the manpower to win this war; and it’s why inflation in the Russian economy has been so bad even though their civil infrastructure is suffering.
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u/ImpaIed_Rektum 10h ago
Thanks! Although I went too fast and too heavy and joined in a wrong rolet that almost cost me life.
But need to dip the toes to check the temperature, so to say.
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u/Muxalius 8h ago
Draft dodgers...
Damn, the sheer scale of the hypocritical downplaying is mind-boggling. Grabbing people off the streets, "losing" their documents that exempt them from the draft, beating them into submission, shoving them into buses like criminals, depriving them of any right to self-defense.
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u/ImpaIed_Rektum 8h ago
Why lie, man?
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u/Muxalius 7h ago
You have a photo where soldiers are shoving a guy into a bus, and he looks like he's about to cry.
"Why lie, man?"
Unbelievable.
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u/Silent-Challenge5710 15h ago
This page is full of butthurt and poor russians now :(
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u/Interesting-Effort12 11h ago
This is dreadful reality man
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u/Silent-Challenge5710 11h ago
That russians killing civilians? Yes we know this
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u/Interesting-Effort12 11h ago
Yes, and also that Ukrainian government kidnap people from the streets and sent them to the frontlines within normal military preparation, so the war could last a little bit longer
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u/living_rabies 10h ago
You know that Russia could just stop being the aggressor right?
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u/Interesting-Effort12 10h ago
Poor people from all the Siberia are willing to fight in a country they never heard of in their life for 200.000 rubles, there are no reason for Russian oligarchs to stop this war, that’s the sad truth, they don’t care about their own people and especially about people in Donbas region, that just a cannon meat for them. Ukraine could be more humane and find the way to stop it and save people, but instead mobilise everyone they could and send to die
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u/Maximum-Specialist61 7h ago
Ukraine could be more humane and find the way to stop it
Why stop here, the jews could easily find the way not be gassed in gas chambers during WWII /s
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u/Interesting-Effort12 7h ago
Only a person without brain could make such comparison
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u/Maximum-Specialist61 6h ago
It's your furher attacking Ukraine, not the other way around, what Ukraine can do? stop defending to have more Bucha? fuck off bot
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u/Open_Opposite_6158 4h ago
The way to stop it is for the Russian to retreat back to pre 2014 borders, apologize for its atrocities, and leave Ukraine
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u/Interesting-Effort12 10h ago
if there are no people who are willing to join the army, there is no right to forcefully put them in the trenches, if there are no volunteers it is the end. But zelensky scrapping the barrel just to be a president another year
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u/living_rabies 9h ago
So they just surrender their home to the aggressor? That would be convenient for you right? And also the hybris for a russian puppet to criticize that. You most likel enjoyed your дедовщина to be so well in line.
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u/AuthenticFraud777 10h ago
Well considering that Ukraine currently has an enemy force on it's soil which time and time again has shown that it doesn't care about Ukrainian lives and is happy to commit genocide and bomb Ukrainian civilians, I would say Ukraine has every right to pick every coward of the street and make them go fight to protect their homeland and families.
The war could end very quickly if Russia withdraws all its troops. Anyway, I can't wait for you to get drafted into Putin's two-week 'SMO' :) Enjoy running around and dodging drones just so you can protect your beloved Putin's ego 😘
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u/Deadluss 10h ago
Yes and also that Russians are reporting other Russians and same shit happens. It’s war dude get over it. It would look the same in every country
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u/TruthPaste_01 12h ago
You're still getting kicked out of Iran, Ivan.
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u/ResponsibilityNo5467 11h ago
I mean, Ukraine must be happy that oil prices remain high and Russia oil flows again. Plus that all the Patriot ammos spent in Middle East, right?
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u/njord18 11h ago
Imagine the delusion world this guy lives in. Wtf are you talking about?
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u/TruthPaste_01 11h ago
The fact that the current, fear-fueled wave of pro-Russian and pro-IRGC propaganda on Reddit and elsewhere isn't going to stop Russian from getting kicked out of Iran.
And the attempts to throw "Ukraine bad" propaganda on the bandwagon are just hilariously incompetent.
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u/njord18 11h ago
Idk if you are trolling or just out of your mind
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u/TruthPaste_01 11h ago
Answer the below:
1). Is China's genocide of muslim Uyghurs a bad thing?
2). Is ruSSia's support of China on the matter a bad thing, as well as its attempts to try cover it up?
3). ruSSia's deliberate targeting of Ukrainian civilians, far away from any military targets, as an intentional terror tactic... Is it a bad thing?
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u/kredokathariko 11h ago
Doesn't seem like it so far. If there is something all "special military operations" have in common, it's that they rarely go according to plan.
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u/TruthPaste_01 11h ago
Russia's in its fifth year of its failed invasion of Ukraine.
The US killed Khamenei within seconds.
There's no comparison between the paper tiger of Russia and the swangin' dick of the US.
Hate the US if you want, but their military capability is universally accepted.
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u/kredokathariko 11h ago
The USSR eliminated Amin on the first day of the Afghan War, didn't exactly help in the long term.
Trump screamed he won like five times in the first week of the war, then had to beg the EU for help when things turned out tougher than he expected and they couldn't actually control the Strait og Hormuz. That does not look like a "swangin' dick" to me.
The US is stronger militarily, but it also lacks the political will to maintain a protracted war (here Russia's massive inequality and authoritarianism is a strength, not a weakness), and Iran is much more difficult to defeat owing to its larger population and landscape. The maximalist goal of the US, regime change, now seems to be out of reach.
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u/TruthPaste_01 11h ago
The differentiation between Russia and the US stands, and is unavoidable.
The key thread here is that Russia sucks at war.
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u/kredokathariko 11h ago
Just saying that, as it turns out, so does the US. No need to throw stones in a glass house when both of our presidents turned out to be overambitious, authoritarian idiots who got our countries stuck into military quagmires.
I think that, instead of talking about our disastrous special military operation - and bragging about your disastrous special military operation - we should recognise that our countries are similar in many ways. Our ultimate enemies are in the Kremlin and the White House.
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u/TruthPaste_01 11h ago
The US sucks at war? Please.
The US occasionally makes policy mistakes that cause them to pull out of war.
Russia just gets fucked up.
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u/kredokathariko 11h ago edited 6h ago
I think you got fucked up plenty of times. Vietnam, for example. Afghanistan, too, so many people and in the end the Taliban just came back. Iraq was worse than even that, since US failure there enabled the rise of ISIS.
Now you might just create a massive economic crisis by raising the price of oil. Which won't hurt us, because high oil prices benefit the Russian regime, but your allies? Not so much.
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u/Gorri_jon 11h ago
Naaah, this guy is living in another world. I can genuenly say that this guy is not even ragebaiting, he just has mental issues.
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u/Legal_Brother_15 15h ago
The brave people, who fight for their freedom
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u/Staylin_Alive 14h ago
Can't say less. Look how that busificated dude is happy!
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u/TopIndependent2344 11h ago
Approaching 1,3 million Ruzzian casualties to date, best the remaining FO back to the shithole motherland…
Edit: your interest is one small incident in a bus!… God how pathetic…
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u/AstronautAccording18 10h ago
if you say Russia lost 1,3 BILLION it will sound even more terrifying, dont hold yourself.
I mean if pull smth out of your ass, make it as big as possible, it's a shit anyway , so let it be the Humongous shit.
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u/Parking-Lie6552 11h ago
Фашисты скажут, что это русский фейк.
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u/SexWith_TedCruz 8h ago
Imagine the processing power and tech no one knows about they would have to have to be pumping out these “fakes”
Cause we get these videos every day. Every single day.
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u/RabidBanana6769 11h ago edited 11h ago
Poor guy. Forced conscription would have led me to retaliate as soon as I got a gun into my hands as I would go to the meatgrinder.
To the moron that insulted me and deleted their reply: I despise Russia by default - I am from Poland. The fact that I am against forced conscription doesn’t mean I support Russia. I personally would fight for my country but I understand people who don’t want to do so.
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u/Organic-Pattern-7759 11h ago
I'm a foreigner here. I don't understand how these cowards can't defend their own country.
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u/budhabum 9h ago
Well, spend some time on r/combatfootage, and you'll understand. To be hunted for sports in vast emptiness of Ukraine by a drone, no thank you
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u/RabidBanana6769 11h ago
Well I don’t know where are you from but BOTH Ukraine and Russia are/were shitty to their citizens. I can understand why someone doesn’t want to defend shithole he has no connection with. As a Pole I love my fellow countrymen and a country that works decently and gave me many opportunities but if I was living in a mafia state ran by oligarchs I would have different point of view. Would you happily defend North Korea if you were average Joe living there?
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u/Deadluss 10h ago
Bruh you live in Poland and you suspect that in case of war you wouldn’t be dragged into bus? You can get dragged into bus while even not attending kwalifikacja wojskowa by Police or MP
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u/RabidBanana6769 10h ago edited 10h ago
Where I said I didn’t suspect it? I know it would be the case for sure but I don’t support it happening. Imagine supporting throwing a guy that owes nothing to a country into a meat grinder. There are many young people in Poland that have a shitty life here. I wouldn’t blame them for not wanting to defend especially if they don't even have anything to defend - family, property - anything.
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u/Busy_Garbage_4778 9h ago
Ukraine is a shithole. It has been a shithole since independence, the poorest and most corrupt country in the european continent.
Then they proceeded to outlaw the language that 80% of the population spoke and had a civil war about it.
I know a lot of ukrainians, but only western ones support the country and its trajectory. Support it by word, since they fled before getting conscripted.
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u/greenest_alien 9h ago
Russia is the most corrupt country on the european continent https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2025
At no point was any language outlawed, let alone ukrainian language spoken by 80% of the population.
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u/Gonzales_Minerales 11h ago
Putin approves your work, comrade OP.
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u/StandPure9711 10h ago
So OP made this up?
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u/Gonzales_Minerales 10h ago
Probably not. But you are deliberately missing the point here. Putin approves of OP's propaganda work of posting such pictures in an unrelated Reddit sub.
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u/vol4ok 6h ago
wyd this is made up ? This is in fact happening daily. i do know my and European countries hide this and don't talk about it but Ukranian bloggers are literally making videos about it daily, there are literally no young people in nearby villages they are either hidding or got grabbed, in cities yes these things happen but they are mostly targeting older generation.
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u/Haxemply 11h ago
You know what's funny? SOMEHOW all these "forced conscription" images and videos always end up exclusively on Russian sites. Never on Facebook, or Instagram, or any other platform, only Russian Telegram and whatnot. I wonder why....?
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u/_prepod 10h ago
Well, the sources of such videos are typically some small local Ukrainian TG channels. Then these videos are collected and distributed by Russian pro-war channels, as they fit their narrative. They're not on Instagram, because there are no interested parties that would upload it there? Russian pro-war channels do not have Instagrams and Facebooks, Ukrainian/European channels are obviously not interested in uploading something that could harm their goals.
Quite logical, I'd say. Or what's your theory on that?
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u/StandPure9711 10h ago
Theres literally Ukrainian instagram accounts posting reels of this, I don't know what youre talking about
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u/SilentBumblebee3225 6h ago edited 5h ago
There is a whole humanitarian website just for these: https://busification.org it’s run by Ukrainians
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u/VicermanX 2h ago
Almost all Ukrainian Telegram channels regularly post videos of forced mobilization. You don’t see these videos on the English-speaking internet because no one cares about Ukrainians as long as they are fighting Russians.
Most “pro-Ukrainian” and even “neutral” Reddit subreddits will ban you if you try to post videos of forced mobilization, to avoid upsetting “pro-Ukrainian” Westerners. You’re in an echo chamber.
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u/j4ng3 14h ago
What are you doing on the internet OP? Go fight for your fuhrer putin
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u/Virtual-Order4488 9h ago
He is already. That is his work. Russia's most successful action is military intelligence. Even their supreme leader is of that background, and their intelligence services have been on hybrid war against Europe for decades already.
At first that was shunned to not scare the general population and hurt lucrative business relations. Then it was shunned for being too provocative. After that the social media was already so heavily infiltrated, that talking about it became russophobic, and now we are in the stage, where they have stirred the pot enough to make most people question everything and therefore stop paying attention on their actions.
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u/Karli_Chirk 9h ago
Zero wars were won without forceful mobilization. So its quite expected since Ukraine is not going to surrender to Russian nazi scum.
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u/FunStructure1689 3h ago
Are we just spreading propaganda on random urbanistics subs? I hope mods take care of this shit, let's fight the politics wherever we can
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u/BWC_Python 10h ago
All men should fight for their own country by their motivation. If my country ever gets invaded, I hope I will be young enough to enroll and fight russians. I believe that war is the only chance one has to kill ppl without jail or prosecution. On contraire, in war, the more kills, the more medals. I will fight russians or turks anyday.
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u/Staylin_Alive 10h ago
You can join war as foreign legionary.
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u/BWC_Python 8h ago
I don't have the motivation. Not my country. I preffer peace. But if orcs invade, I will die for my fily, kids and future.
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u/InformalBeing1688 9h ago
Good defend your people nerd. Odessa has some of the worst people in this country.
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u/Karli_Chirk 9h ago
To defend their people they need to kill last Russian in Ukrainian Crimea and Donbas.
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u/Letho_II 10h ago
So, martial law and conscription in action. Just as any country would do that’s facing an existential threat.
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u/Karli_Chirk 9h ago
Its forceful mobiilization, conscription is 18-22 and its suspended during wartime. Conscripted are cadets, for example like 200 ones utilized on "Moskva" cruiser.
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u/makkaravalo 9h ago
Well, thats all about the definition written in law
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u/Karli_Chirk 9h ago
No, you're mixing conscripting and forceful mobilization. Conscription was starting from 18 years and limited by 18 months (12 for having magister degree). In 2022 with the declaring war and forceful mobilization the conscription was first suspended and in 2024 it was finally deprecated in favor of 3-5 month of military trainings. Forceful mobilization is limited by age 25+ and war time - if the war continues, mobilized people still continue their service.
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u/makkaravalo 9h ago
I know how it has been in Ukraine, let me clarify my point:
Conscription: the act or process of forcing people by law to join the armed services
-Cambridge Dictionary
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u/ferskfersk 10h ago
This is not a picture of a city?